Provide feedback about ISO 233-1 (Arabic transliteration) to ISO/TC 46/WG 3

[ronaldtse]

The ISO committee that created ISO 233-1 wants to know what problems we encountered in implementing 233-1, e.g. ambiguous target characters.

Do we have a list of decisions made and a list of open issues?

[AhMohsen46]

Hello @ronaldtse

I've been reviewing it over the last 2 days

1-I searched for any open/closed issues we had for 233, I found that 233-1 had no issues open, only 233-3 had this issue interscript/maps#56

2-started reviewing the available docs:

doc A) http://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Arabic_2.2.pdf

I- we can see here that ة (ta' marboota) is always transliterated to ẗ in iso 233-1984

can be found in: https://github.com/interscript/lcs/blob/3f1ea91afe73bd7bbcb2f1d703df47e10918c2f6/maps/maps/iso-ara-Arab-Latn-233-1984.imp#L103-L104

II-sukkun is not omitted, is ْ an english/latin character?


we anyway are omitting it here: https://github.com/interscript/lcs/blob/3f1ea91afe73bd7bbcb2f1d703df47e10918c2f6/maps/maps/iso-ara-Arab-Latn-233-1984.imp#L67
and here:
https://github.com/interscript/lcs/blob/3f1ea91afe73bd7bbcb2f1d703df47e10918c2f6/maps/maps/iso-ara-Arab-Latn-233-1984.imp#L83-L84

doc B)http://www.eki.ee/wgrs/rom1_ar.pdf (which is probably what we used building the map)
not alot of comments on this one, it's not showing alot of rules for iso:233-1984 though, as it's mainly UN-2017, and showing differences from other systems (233, SES-1930, etc)

[AhMohsen46]

created a new PR to match the doc provided: interscript/maps#169
we may postpone merging it till we hear back from iso

notes on the new doc:

table (recommendations per letter order in letters' table)
1-ا (alef) how do we decide between ' and ’
2-not sure about ء ` (02c8), in the original doc we used, it was ’ (2019)
5-ث (tha') IMO should be pronounced as (th), am not sure if (ṯ) sounds the same
6-ج maps to j, but it can be g accent, however, original arabic, it's pronounced as J
14-‫ش‬ maps to (sh) as in "short/shore/shall/should"
30-sub "\u064b", "á" # ً should be tranlisterated to an

31- sub "\u064c", "ú" # ٌ should be transliterated to un

32- sub "\u064d", "in" # ٍ should be transliterated to i/en

33- sukun should be omitted instead of °

34- shadda should double the letter? instead of ̄

NOTES:
4.6)
Note 3)should we consider sun/moon letters?, example: الشمس -> aš šams

Note 4)should we consider ta' marbuta at the end sentences, like, when it's in the end of the sentence "ذهب الرجل الى المدينة" the man went to the city
in this case, ta' marbuta should be pronounced as ah (madiynah)

and in the end of names/definite articles:
غزة, المدينة المنورة where it should be pronounced as ah as well?

[ronaldtse]

We have provided feedback but the team has not responded yet. We will be engaging with them soon.