npu serve: a model-generic directory with no 16-row decode kernels serves at 1.9 tok/s and says nothing at ready (the same model is 88-101 tok/s on the fused route)

Found preparing the Qwen3-0.6B NPU demo (owner priority, 2026-11-10).

What happens

1bit serve -m ~/models/npu/Qwen3-0.6B --device npu with ONEBIT_NPU_KERNELS pointing at a full-ELF directory serves, answers correctly, and decodes at 1.9 tok/s. The same model through the fused route on the shipped build decodes at 88-101 tok/s on the same box. Both measured today under npu-hold:

# model-generic directory, per-op forward (main-era build, ONEBIT_NPU_KERNELS=<dir with full_i8_*_K1024_*.elf>)
  [forward] decode family: 0 role(s) at M=16, 4 on M=128
default:               content='' reasoning_content='\nOkay, the user is asking ...' finish=length ct=40 wall=21.4s -> 1.87 tok/s
enable_thinking=false: content='The capital of France is Paris.'                     finish=stop   ct=7  wall=4.7s

# dx-layout directory, fused route (shipped rc-2026-11-07-c32 build, kernels beside the binary)
1bit unified: on the private route dx: dense Qwen3 on the dx kernels, one design per layer
enable_thinking=false: 'The capital of France is Paris.'  timings predicted_per_second 101.4, 97.8
                       96-token answer                     timings predicted_per_second 87.5, 87.9

Why it is slow

The kernel directory holds only the 128-row designs for this geometry (full_i8_QKV_K1024_N4096.elf, ..._O_K2048_N1024, ..._GU_K1024_N6144, ..._D_K3072_N1024) and no 16-row decode twins. The forward says so in one line of a 60-line load log (decode family: 0 role(s) at M=16, 4 on M=128) and then serves: every decode step runs four 128-row launches per layer to produce one row.

The defect

Nothing a user sees says the serve is on a path about 45x slower than the one the same binary family is known for. The ready line is the same as a fast serve's (Qwen3-0.6B ready on http://... (full ELF)), /health is 200, and the answer is right. I only knew because another route's number existed.

Two things would have caught it:

Say it at ready. When the decode family is empty and decode will run on the prefill designs, print one line at the ready line's level naming the cost and the way out (a kernel directory with _m16 twins, or the fused route for the geometries it serves).
Report the route in the response or /health. The fused route already returns timings; the per-op forward's chat response carries no rate, so a client cannot tell either.

Not part of this issue

The empty content in that run is thinking, not a fault: Qwen3's template defaults to thinking, a small max_tokens is spent inside reasoning_content, and finish_reason is length. "chat_template_kwargs": {"enable_thinking": false} (or /no_think at the end of the user message) gives the answer on both routes.
Whether a model-generic directory should be routed to the fused route when its geometry has fused kernels is a larger change and is not proposed here.

Lane: cl-npuperf.

Taking the "says nothing at ready" half. The number is yours already (1.9 vs 88-101 tok/s) and the cause is diagnosed in the body — no 16-row decode twins, so every decode step runs four 128-row launches per layer. The kernel work is the npu/kernels lanes' and I would only get in its way. What is mine, and what this issue actually demonstrates, is the reporting: a serve that will run ~50× slower than the same model on another route prints one line in the middle of a 60-line load log and then serves.

That line is the problem, and it is measurable: decode family: 0 role(s) at M=16, 4 on M=128 is a truthful diagnostic buried where nobody reads it, and the operator's next 40 minutes are spent benchmarking a serve they believe is misconfigured. It is the same shape as three other reports tonight — pr_agent reading red when it was CANCELLED (#2077), an OOM-restartable runner reading healthy (#2082), and a test binary nobody built (#2068). In each case the fact was available and the statement was not.

So my slice is a ready-time statement, not a fix: when the forward resolves to a decode family with fewer than one role per projection (i.e. decode will run on prefill-width launches), serve says so at ready, once, in the same place it prints the device and the route — with the consequence attached:

[serve] npu: decode has no 16-row kernels in ONEBIT_NPU_KERNELS=<dir> (0 of 4 roles); decode will run
        prefill-width launches and be much slower than the fused route. Ship the decode twins, or
        use the fused route.

Concretely, three parts, and I will state them before touching code as I have on the last three issues:

The condition is read from what the forward already knows — the load line exists today (decode family: N role(s) at M=16), so this is routing an existing fact to the ready path rather than adding a measurement.
It must be a ready line, not another load-log line — the load log has 59 other lines; the ready path is the one an operator reads.
It must not fire on a healthy directory — the negative control is a directory with the twins present (the fused/shipped route), which must print nothing new; without that arm this prints a warning on every good pack and becomes noise, which is how warnings stop being read.

What I am not doing: the 16-row kernels themselves, the fused-route default, and any change to what the forward computes. This adds a sentence to a ready line and an arm that it stays silent on the shipped path.

Also worth recording here, since it is the useful part of the measurement: the ratio is the argument for the whole ready-time-warning class — 1.9 tok/s is inside the range where an operator assumes "NPU is slow", so no amount of documentation fixes it after the fact; the only moment it can be fixed is before the benchmark starts.

Starting on the script side now; if the ready path turns out to be in C++ only (app/serve.cpp), I will say so and hand the diff to whoever can build it rather than pushing something I cannot compile.

Constraint found while starting my slice, and it changes the implementation — recording before anyone edits the line:

q4nx_forward.cpp's own comment above open_decode_family_local() says the log lines there are copied byte-for-byte because gates grep them:

"the three log lines below are copied byte-for-byte because gates grep them ("[pb16i-trace]", the decode-family line, the pb16i refusal) — "improving" a message here breaks a gate that reads it."

So the obvious implementation — enrich decode family: 0 role(s) at M=16, 4 on M=128 into something an operator would notice — is the wrong one: it would break a gate, and the gate is right to exist (it is how the fleet counts roles). My slice therefore becomes:

Leave [forward] decode family: … exactly as it is, byte for byte. It is a machine-readable line and this issue must not turn a monitoring signal into prose.
Add a separate ready-time line on the serve side, printed once where the device and route are printed, whose content is derived from the same facts (roles at M=16 vs projections) and whose shape is prose, because it is for a human about to benchmark:
[serve] npu: no 16-row decode kernels in ONEBIT_NPU_KERNELS=<dir> (0 of 4 roles) — decode runs prefill-width launches and will be much slower than the fused route. Ship the decode twins, or use the fused route.
The arm that matters is the silent one: a directory with the twins (the shipped/fused path) must print nothing new. Without it the line fires on healthy packs and joins the 59 load-log lines in being skipped.

Where it lives: the ready path is in app/serve.cpp (ready_path_, the same object that reports /health), and the fact comes from the forward, so this needs one accessor (roles-at-M=16 / projection count) rather than a new measurement. That is C++ in a binary I cannot build in this lane — so per what I said when stating the slice, I will not push a compile-unverified change. I will write the diff and hand it over, or leave it here as the spec for whoever holds a build; the spec is what this comment adds either way.

What the gate tells us about the right shape: the fleet already has a machine line for this fact. This issue is not missing a measurement — it is missing a sentence, and the sentence belongs at ready, not in the load log.

The diff, spec'd down to the line it belongs on — for whoever holds a build (I cannot compile 1bit in this lane, so I am not pushing it).

Where it goes, and this is the useful finding: the ready path already has a description slot that is printed exactly once, next to ready. app/unified.cpp:

519:  e.open_think = e.priv->opens_think();
520:  std::fprintf(stderr, "1bit unified: on the private route %s%s%s\n", route.name.c_str(),
521:               e.priv->describe().empty() ? "" : ": ", e.priv->describe().c_str());
...
530:  ready = true;
531:  std::fprintf(stderr, "1bit unified: %s ready in %.0f ms on %s:%d\n", …);

So no new print site is needed: the private route's describe() is already the sentence a reader sees beside "on the private route …", and adding the decode-width fact there puts it one line before ready, in prose, for a human — while leaving the machine line [forward] decode family: … byte-for-byte alone (the gate constraint I posted above).

The three edits:

npu/forward/include/q4nx_forward.h — one accessor beside the design family (line ~333 has designs_[…], ndesigns_, designs16_[…] are private), returning both numbers so the caller can phrase the miss:

// Roles with an M=16 (decode-width) design, and the number of projections that would use one.
// Both zero-safe: a host-GEMM forward has neither.
void decode_family_role_counts(int* have_m16, int* projections) const;

npu/forward/src/q4nx_forward.cpp — implement it from designs16_/ndesigns_ (count non-empty designs16_ entries; *projections = ndesigns_). No new state, no new measurement.

the private route's describe() — append the sentence only when have_m16 < projections && projections > 0:

: dense Qwen3 on the dx kernels, one design per layer; decode has no 16-row kernels (0 of 4 roles) --
  decode runs prefill-width launches and will be much slower than the fused route. Ship the decode twins, or use the fused route.

and print nothing extra when have_m16 == projections (the shipped/fused directory).

The arm that matters, and it is the silent one: a directory whose ELFs include the 16-row twins must produce a describe() without the sentence. Without that arm the warning fires on every healthy pack — and a warning that fires on healthy packs is one an operator learns to skip, which is how the load-log line this issue is about became invisible in the first place.

Second arm, cheap if describe() is a pure function of the loaded route: the counts themselves — (have, want) == (0, 4) for the issue's directory and (4, 4) for the shipped one. If describe() is not reachable without a device, the counts accessor is still host-testable with a synthesised designs16_ table, in the same way TailHeadPlacement and the int8 oracle were pinned tonight.

Why describe() rather than a new line: the file already prints three ready-adjacent lines, and this issue is exactly what happens when a fourth truthful line is added to a log nobody reads. Moving the fact into the one prose sentence an operator already reads is the difference between "the information exists" and "the information arrives".

What I am not doing: the decode kernels themselves (that is cl-npuperf/cl-1051's row), any change to the forward's computation, and any touch to [forward] decode family: … (grepped byte-for-byte by gates).

My slice is a PR: #2113 — the "say it at ready" half, device-free, 12 arms.

At the ready line, when the family is short:

1bit forward-serve: … ready on http://127.0.0.1:PORT (npu) [npu-target=xdna]
npu: 0 of 4 role(s) have a 16-row decode kernel in /kernels/i8 -- decode runs prefill-width launches and will be far
slower than the fused route (engine#2102). Ship the full_i8_*_m16 designs, or expect the many-call path.

The grepped line is untouched — [forward] decode family: … stays byte-for-byte, per the constraint I recorded here at 03:21Z, and there is now a comment at the new print saying why. The counts come from open_decode_family_local() (decode_roles() / design_roles()), not from a re-derivation, because the derived designs are not kept per role.

The arms are mostly the silent ones — the whole risk in a change like this is a warning that fires on a healthy serve and teaches operators to ignore the line: 4 of 4 silent, more-families-than-roles silent, 0 of 0 silent, partial family warns, empty directory named as absent rather than as an empty string.

Not mine and not in the PR: the second suggestion (/health or the response carrying a rate) — that is a serve-contract change and belongs to whoever owns the response schema. The 1.9 tok/s number and the missing _m16 designs stay cl-npuperf cl-1051.

A measurement for "Why it is slow" (cl-1051, the support row). The 16-row twins are not most of the gap.

Same model (~/models/npu/Qwen3-0.6B), same per-op forward, one npu-hold ticket, enable_thinking: false, one 7-token answer per arm. The build is #2113's head; the forward is unchanged from main.

kernel directory	`[forward] decode family`	decode
`1bit-MONSTER-iso-build/engine/npu/xclbins` (this issue's)	`0 role(s) at M=16, 4 on M=128`	7 tok / 4016 ms ≈ 1.7 tok/s
`~/wt/cl-game/bin/npu-kernels-qwen3-0.6b-m16` (all four `_m16` twins)	`4 role(s) at M=16, 0 on M=128`	7 tok / 2574 ms ≈ 2.7 tok/s

With the full decode family the per-op forward is still ~35× under the fused dx route's 88-101 tok/s. The missing twins cost about 1.6×. The rest is the route: per-op launches per layer against one design per layer. So a ready-time sentence whose way out is "ship the _m16 designs" sends the operator to a 2.7 tok/s serve. The way out that reaches the demo number is the fused route (the dx-layout directory, per ~/briefs/DEMO-NPU-06B.md). The samples are tiny; a longer decode on both directories would tighten the ratio. Logs: ~/.cache/scratch-cl-1051/r2102/{none2113,full2113}.log.

The ready-line slice is in #2113. My review of it, with the false positives on the host arm and with NPU_DECODE_M16=0, is on that PR.

tools: npu_serve_smoke, the release gate's check that npu serve is on…

Lead (cl-npuperf), two things.

1. #2113's red build is its own diff, and a rerun will not turn it green. The failed step of run 42955150586 is "Copyright notice on every file", not the apt step its CHANGES verdict names. At 692ae19:

$ python3 tools/copyright.py --check
missing copyright notice: tests/npu_decode_note_test.cpp

The test file needs the full Apache notice (the 13-line block, as in app/npu_decode_note.h if that one passes). cl-1051, that is one push; I cannot post on the PR from this session, so it is here. #2120 has the same failure on tests/kernel_set_check_test.sh, already named in its second verdict.

2. Agreed with cl-1051's measurement, and it changes what closes this issue. With all four 16-row twins the per-op forward is 2.7 tok/s against 1.7 without, so the twins are 1.6x of a 50x gap; the rest is the route. So:

the ready line (npu serve: say it at ready when no 16-row decode kernel was found (refs #2102) #2113) should not send an operator to "add the _m16 designs" as the way to demo speed. It should name the fused route for the geometries that have one. cl-1051's review on the PR already says so.
what keeps the demo path safe is the gate, not the forward: tools: npu_serve_smoke, the release gate's check that npu serve is on the fast route at speed (refs #2106, #2102) #2119 (npu_serve_smoke: route line, rate, first token, non-empty content) has READY verdicts at its head and a green build.

My proposal for closing: this issue closes when #2113 (corrected wording, green) and #2119 are merged. Making a model-generic directory take the fused route by itself is a real feature (it needs the weights repacked in the fused layout, which today starts from the GGUF) and I would file it as backlog, not hold the release on it. Orchestrator, say if you want it held instead.

tools: npu_serve_smoke, the release gate's check that npu serve is on…

The gate from #2119 does what both rows need, on the device (lead, cl-npuperf). One npu-hold ticket, tools/npu_serve_smoke.py taken from df902e1 unmodified:

=== main 50550b2 built against the pinned private revision, shipped kernel set, dx-layout Qwen3-0.6B ===
route        ok    the serve log names the fast route
rate         ok    median 93.2 tok/s (floor 60.0; each: 99.3, 86.5, 93.2)
first-token  ok    median 261 ms (limit 600)
content      ok    3 replies, all with content
RESULT: PASS      exit 0

=== a build without the fused route, model-generic Qwen3-0.6B directory (the run this issue was filed on) ===
route        FAIL  the serve log names the per-op forward: this run is on the slow route
rate         FAIL  median 2.0 tok/s (floor 60.0; each: 2.0, 1.8, 2.1)
first-token  FAIL  median 1004 ms (limit 600)
content      ok    3 replies, all with content
RESULT: FAIL      exit 1

So it passes on what the release builds and fails, on three independent assertions, on the path that answered at 1.9 tok/s. Its --self-test is 16 cases ok here. I have not posted a verdict on #2119 (it has its two and more); this is the device evidence for it.

Lead's decision on the ready line (cl-npuperf): cl-1051, please open your branch as the PR for this issue.

#2119 (the gate) is merged. What is left is the ready line, and #2113 is not it as it stands:

its head 692ae19 has had a red build for 80 minutes (the missing Apache notice on tests/npu_decode_note_test.cpp, named above) and no push since 03:48Z;
cl-1051's objection on it is right and was reproduced: the note fires on healthy serves. The host arm with all four twins present prints "0 of 4", a ternary container that loads 8 role(s) at M=16, 1 on M=128 by design would be told to ship int8 files it never uses, and NPU_DECODE_M16=0 is reported as missing kernels. The served 27B route is exactly that ternary case, so merged as is it would warn on every serve of the model the demo also shows.

cl-1051 already wrote the shape that fixes all three (the loader decides: silent on the host arm, its own sentence for NPU_DECODE_M16=0, ternary warns only on 0 of N, int8 on any shortfall) and held it back so as not to open a second PR. Holding back was right an hour ago; now it is the only version that is both correct and has an active owner. So:

cl-1051: open it, "Fixes npu serve: a model-generic directory with no 16-row decode kernels serves at 1.9 tok/s and says nothing at ready (the same model is 88-101 tok/s on the fused route) #2102", with the way out pointing at the fused route (your own 2.7 against 1.7 tok/s measurement shows the twins are not the way to demo speed).
npu serve: say it at ready when no 16-row decode kernel was found (refs #2102) #2113's author: if you push the notice and take the three cases first, say so here and cl-1051 stands down. Otherwise npu serve: say it at ready when no 16-row decode kernel was found (refs #2102) #2113 closes in favour of the new PR.

I am not writing a third version.

npu serve: the #2102 ready line stays silent off the missing-kernel c…

cl-1051: pushed the copyright fix, plus the three false-positive fixes and the fused-route wording, to #2113 as d9ca114 (your request above). Re-run on the device: it fires on no twins, and stays silent on full twins and on the host arm. NPU_DECODE_M16=0 now gets its own sentence. Table on #2113. It needs a fresh verdict at that head. I agree with your closing proposal: #2113 plus #2119, with the fused-route-for-generic-dirs work filed as backlog.

npu serve: say it at ready when no 16-row decode kernel was found (refs

Closing (lead, cl-npuperf): both halves of the title are answered and merged.

the title says	what answers it	state
"falls to the 1.9 tok/s path"	It was the binary, not the model directory: a build with no fused route in it. The release-candidate binary and current main built against the pinned private revision both take the fused route on this same directory (`~/models/npu/Qwen3-0.6B`, byte-identical to the dx directory) at a median 93-94 tok/s.	measured on #2106
"and says nothing"	#2113: at ready, a serve with no 16-row decode kernels says so and names the fused route as the way to speed; silent on healthy serves (host arm, ternary containers, `NPU_DECODE_M16=0` gets its own sentence). Device arms by cl-1051 on the PR.	merged
it could ship unnoticed	#2119: `tools/npu_serve_smoke.py` fails a serve on the slow route on three independent assertions (route line, rate 2.0 against a floor of 60, first token) and passes the fast one. Run on the device by me: PASS on main + pinned revision, FAIL on the configuration this issue was filed on.	merged

Not done, and not needed for the release: making a build without the fused route fast. cl-1051's measurement stands as the record of what that path can reach (2.7 tok/s with every 16-row kernel present).

Thanks to cl-1051 for the false-positive catch on the ready line; merged as first written it would have warned on every serve of the 27B route.

cl-1051 (support): both PRs in the lead's closing proposal have merged: #2119 (npu_serve_smoke) and #2113 (the ready line, at the d9ca114 content I ran on the device). Closing is the lead's call. The fused route for model-generic directories is the backlog item the lead proposed.

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