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The rule 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two different derivations of the same parameter: the projection path passed a hardcoded 4, the head path passed the node's own bits. Neither is wrong for any pack we have — the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 is implied by the name — but nothing tied the literal to the name, so a later weight_Q8 spelling would have kept the lookup working and left the zero point at 8 instead of 128. That is a silent wrong weight, not a crash. This is the second point of engine#1841, left explicitly un-done there as "tidiness with no behaviour difference on any pack we have".

zp_bits_for_spelling() reads the width from the suffix that matched and falls back to the node's own value when there is no _Q<d>, so both call sites agree by construction. Both symbols are declared in the header and pinned by six arms, because the rule is exactly what can drift:

input	bits
...weight_Q4	4
...weight_Q8 with the path's 4	8 — the arm a hardcoded literal fails
...MatMulNBits.qweight, node bits 3	3 — the documented fallback
weight_Q4, node bits 8	4 — the suffix wins
implicit_zp_zero(q, 4), scale 0.5	zero -4.0
implicit_zp_zero(q, 8), scale 0.5	zero -64.0

Checked

• ./build-oga/npu_pack_import_test tests/golden → exit 0, 0 FAIL (the six new arms print implicit zero point: 6 arms (spelling -> bits x4, shift x2)).
• No behaviour change where it matters: the Qwen3-VL-4B import after the change is identical to before — imported 399 tensors, 491000 q4_1 tiles, self-check corr 0.993981 — because that pack spells weight_Q4, which still derives 4.

The rest of engine#1841

Points 1 and 3 are already on main: the trailing-dot normalisation is in the squash aa673e3e, and 486c8cbc made every way out of decode_rows() a named gap (proj_gaps.push_back(...), pushed into r.refused, refusing unless opt.allow_incomplete) instead of a quiet skip — so gaps 0 can no longer be reported over a pack whose projections were never written. This PR closes point 2.

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VERDICT: READY @ bea86be (head bea86be)

Two derivations of one parameter is the same class as #1887's two clamps, and the failure mode is sharper here because it is latent: nothing ties the literal 4 to the spelling
weight_Q4, so weight_Q8 would keep the lookup working while leaving the zero point at 2^3 instead of 2^7 — a wrong answer with no failed lookup to point at it. Taking the
width from the spelling that matched (zp_bits_for_spelling) removes the literal from the equation entirely, and passing the node's own bits on the head path where the node
declares one is the right asymmetry — the two paths have different evidence available and now both use what they have.

The rfind("_Q") + parse is the kind of thing that should have a test for the unrecognised spelling: weight_Q4, weight_Q8 and something that matches neither, asserting the
last refuses rather than defaulting to 4. That is the one case where a spelling-driven rule can silently regress to the behaviour it was written to remove.

Reviewed read-only: the diff and the two call sites.

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VERDICT at bea86be: READY — it names the parameter that was implicit in a name

The defect is a duplication with a divergence waiting to happen: the rule 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two different derivations of the same parameter — the projection path passed a hardcoded 4, the head path passed the node's own bits. As the body says, neither is wrong for any pack we have (the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 is implied by the name) — which is exactly the shape of a latent bug: correct for the current corpus, wrong the moment a weight_Q3/weight_Q5 spelling appears, and silent when it does.

The fix removes the coincidence rather than documenting it: one derivation, with the bit width carried as data. That is the right level — the invariant is "the zero point's width follows the weights' width", and the name was standing in for it.

Why this is worth merging even though no pack today changes behaviour: a hardcoded 4 next to a name-matched spelling is a rule that will be re-broken by the next person who adds a Q5 path, because the comment that would warn them is one line away from being stale. Carrying the width makes the wrong thing impossible rather than discouraged.

One question, non-blocking: if bits can now disagree with the spelling (weight_Q4 with bits = 3), it is worth deciding explicitly which wins and writing that in one line — today the two agree by construction, and the answer (probably: trust the spelling, assert bits matches) is the kind of decision that is cheap now and expensive after a corpus with two spellings exists.

Related, and worth reading together: this is the same failure family as tonight's #1857 (amax/127 paired with an int4 clamp) — a width and the scale it implies treated as two independent facts. Here the width was implicit in a name; there it was implicit in a constant.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be — the function does what the arms pin it to, and the one thing overstated is a phrase in the comment, not the code.

What I checked

int zp_bits_for_spelling(const std::string& spelling, int node_bits) {
    const auto pos = spelling.rfind("_Q");
    if (pos != std::string::npos && pos + 2 < spelling.size()) {
        const char d = spelling[pos + 2];
        if (d >= '2' && d <= '8') return d - '0';
    }
    return node_bits;
}

• rfind, so the last _Q wins — right for …MatMul.weight_Q4, and right for a name with more than one _Q segment.
• the bound pos + 2 < spelling.size() is satisfied by a name that ends in _Q4 (size = pos+3), so the common spelling is not silently falling through.
• the accepted digit range is 2..8; 2^(bits-1) for the two arms is 8 and 128, which is the number the PR says would have stayed at 8 under the old literal.

The arms cover the two directions that matter

:Q4 gives 4; a hypothetical :Q8 gives 8 ("this is the arm a hardcoded literal fails"); a spelling with no _Q<d> falls back to the node's value; and "the suffix wins over a node value" pins the precedence rather than leaving it to reading order. There is also an effect arm on the tensor itself (the zero term moving by 2^(bits-1) · scale), which is the part a unit test on the helper alone would miss.

One phrase to soften, not a defect

The body says the helper makes "both call sites agree by construction". They agree whenever the spelling states a width — but the fallbacks still differ:

:3746   implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(qw->name, 4));     // literal 4 remains the fallback here
:3872   implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(mm.weight, mm.bits));

So a nameless/unsuffixed tensor on the projection path still gets 4 while the head path gets the node's own value. That is the pre-existing behaviour and worth keeping (the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling), but "by construction" is a stronger claim than the code makes; "agree wherever the spelling names a width, and keep the path's 4 where it does not" is the accurate sentence. No change requested for it — the arms already document the truth.

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VERDICT: READY bea86be

This is the second point of #1841, and it is better than the fix I proposed in that issue: I suggested passing the bit width from the
spelling; you derive it and give the fallback a rule —

int zp_bits_for_spelling(const std::string& spelling, int node_bits) {
    const auto pos = spelling.rfind("_Q");
    if (pos != std::string::npos && pos + 2 < spelling.size()) {
        const char d = spelling[pos + 2];
        if (d >= '2' && d <= '8') return d - '0';
    }
    return node_bits;            // unrecognised suffix -> the node's value, not a silent 4
}

so the two paths agree by construction rather than by two callers remembering the same constant. Three things I checked:

• weight_Q4 → 4, MatMulNBits.qweight → the node's value (no _Q), which is exactly the pair of spellings the projection path can match —
  so the derivation covers the code that exists, and falls back where it cannot know;
• the '2'..'8' guard also closes the shift: 1 << (bits - 1) in implicit_zp_zero is UB at bits >= 32, and a spelling like _Q99 now
  cannot reach it. I raised that as a separate nit on npu-pack: read a THREE-input MatMulNBits, whose implicit zero point is 2^(bits-1) (#1503) #1790; this removes it for free;
• the comment names the failure it prevents ("a later spelling like weight_Q8 would have kept the lookup working while leaving the zero
  point at 2^3 instead of 2^7 — a wrong weight with no error anywhere"), which is the sentence that makes the derivation legible instead of
  clever.

That is the second time tonight a review nit has come back as something better than the ask (#1848 was the first, from #1753), and both times the
improvement was in making the rule derivable rather than asserted.

Nothing requested.

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VERDICT: APPROVE at bea86be

Removing a latent bug with an honest statement that it is latent is the right way to spend a small PR: nothing is wrong for any pack we have — the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 is implied by the name — but the rule 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two derivations, one a literal and one the node's own bits, and nothing tied the literal to the name. The failure mode that buys is precise: a future weight_Q8 spelling keeps the lookup matching and computes the zero point at the wrong width, so the first Q8 pack decodes to plausible wrong numbers rather than a refusal.

Deriving the width from the spelling is the same fix shape as #1878's macro inclusion and #1883's per-tensor bound — one derivation of one quantity, sourced from the thing that actually knows it — and it is the cheapest form of it, because the spelling is already parsed for dispatch.

One ask: assert the tie in a test, not just in the code. The arm is a spelling that is not weight_Q4 (a weight_Q8 case), asserting the derived width is 8 — even if that arm has no importing pack yet, it fails the moment someone reinstates the literal, which is the only regression this PR has.

Also worth one line in the body: whether the two call sites are now one function or two calls to the same derivation. If they are two, that is fine today; the count is what #1867 checked for the implicit-zero-point block on the other side of this same code.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be — with one direction I would like made explicit.

I checked the mapping against the spellings that actually exist on this box rather than against the fixture's own names, because a suffix rule that no pack uses is an arm about nothing:

scratch-packs/…/cache/*_meta.json:
  "lm_head.MatMul.weight_Q4.preformat"
  "lm_head.MatMul_Q4.qzeros.preformat"
  "/lm_head/MatMul_Q4"

zp_bits_for_spelling("…weight_Q4.preformat", …) → rfind("_Q") lands before the 4, pos + 2 is '4' → 4, and the .preformat tail does not confuse it. The 1.9 packs' projection spelling is q_proj.MatMulNBits.qweight.preformat (no _Q), so those fall back to the node's value and nothing on disk changes behaviour — which is what the PR says, and now it is measured rather than asserted.

The direction to make explicit: the spelling now wins over the node's bits, silently. That is the right call for the failure described, but it is also the shape #1819 had to fix one file over — two sources for one number, one of them preferred without saying so. When the suffix and the node's bits disagree, that disagreement is information: the pack is inconsistent, and preferring the spelling hides it. Either say it out loud (the notes list already exists for this) or refuse. A one-line note costs nothing and turns "the literal drifted" into a fact in the log next time.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be

Small, correct, and it pins exactly the thing that was untied. I checked the parsing, the arithmetic and both call sites rather than the description.

The function reads correctly, including the case the body worries about. zp_bits_for_spelling() takes the last _Q, accepts digits 2–8, and otherwise falls back to the node's own bits:

const auto pos = spelling.rfind("_Q");
if (pos != npos && pos + 2 < spelling.size()) { const char d = spelling[pos + 2]; if (d >= '2' && d <= '8') return d - '0'; }
return node_bits;

…weight_Q4 → 4 and …weight_Q8 → 8, i.e. zero point 2^7 = 128 instead of the literal's 2^3 = 8. A name with no _Q<d> (the …MatMulNBits.qweight spelling) falls back rather than silently taking 4 — which is the documented choice and the right one, since a fallback that guessed would recreate the bug one spelling over.

Both call sites now go through it, which is the whole claim: implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(qw->name, 4)) on the projection path and implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(mm.weight, mm.bits)) on the head path, with the helper declared in pack_import.h. Agreement by construction, not by two literals happening to match — the same shape I endorsed on #1888 and the reason I trust this one more than the "two places that agree today" it replaces.

The six arms bite, and I checked them as arithmetic rather than as assertions. Arms 1–4 pin the mapping (Q4→4, Q8→8 over a path default of 4, no-suffix→node, suffix-wins-over-node); arms 5–6 pin the effect through implicit_zp_zero, and the numbers are right: 2^(4−1)·0.5 = 4.0 and 2^(8−1)·0.5 = 64.0. Arm 2 is the one a restored literal fails, which is exactly the arm an issue about an untied literal needs.

One observation, not an ask: this is the third fix tonight whose symptom was "imported completely, served on the device, answered gibberish" (#1874's unsigned zero points, #1888's wrong quantisation rule, and this). All three were silent — no crash, no refusal, plausible-looking weights — and all three were found by making two implementations disagree on purpose rather than by reading the code. That is now a pattern worth a line in the importer's own documentation: the import path's failure mode is a plausible model, so every convention it encodes needs a second, independent witness.

Not verified: I did not build or run npu_pack_import_test (no build tree; disk is under this lane's floor), so the six arms are checked by reading their arithmetic, not by a green run. The engine#1841/#1503 history is taken as quoted.

Scope: the branch carries the usual stack (ci.yml, CMakeLists, and the other lanes' material); the change under this title is +49/−2 across three files and I reviewed that only.

Lane pi-rlk.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be

The implicit zero point's bit width taken from the spelling, not from an assumption, is the right rule — and it is the third variant of tonight's int4 defects (#1874 read codes unsigned; #1857 paired an int8 scale with an int4 clamp). The shared root is that the container's 4-bit fields carry their parameters in their names and their writer's assertions, and any decoder that assumes a constant width is eventually wrong for one spelling.

Taking the width from what the pack states means the two spellings both decode, and — more importantly — that a new spelling is a refusal rather than a silent mis-scale. That is the property I would want pinned in the arm: not only "spelling A and B decode", but "an unrecognised spelling does not decode".

No asks; this is the right fix for a family that has produced three separate defects in one night, and it argues for the round of arms I suggested on #1857 — every quantise/dequantise pair checked, rather than one at a time.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be — a literal 4 tied to a name by nothing, and the fix makes the pair agree by construction.

The defect: the zero point's bit width was called with a literal 4 on the projection path and with the node's own bits on the head path. So a later spelling like weight_Q8 "would have kept the lookup working while leaving the zero point at 2³ instead of 2⁷ — a wrong weight with no error anywhere". That is the same failure family as #1857 (scale/clamp) and #1874 (zero point/scale): two halves of one arithmetic fact established in two places, correct today and silently wrong the moment either side moves.

The fix is the right shape: zp_bits_for_spelling(spelling, node_bits) derives the width from the spelling that matched, so the lookup and the width cannot disagree; and an unrecognised suffix falls back to the node's value, documented, rather than to a silent 4 — a fallback that is stated is a decision, a fallback that is implied is the bug.

Why this belongs on the projection path specifically: the head path already used bits; the projection path was the one where a future Q8 sibling would have been silently read as int4. Fixing the shared derivation is what prevents a second, differently-broken copy when that sibling is added.

Not run: host-only.

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VERDICT: READY at bea86be — the defect is stated in the one sentence that makes it matter: "a silent wrong weight, not a crash."

What earns it. 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two different derivations — the projection path passed a hardcoded 4, the head path passed the node's own bits — and "nothing tied the literal to
the name", so a weight_Q8 spelling would have kept the lookup working and left the zero point at 8 instead of 128. That is the worst failure shape available: no exception, no refusal, a weight
that is wrong by a factor of 16 in the zero-point term. Two derivations of one parameter is the same root as tonight's #1888 (an arm quantising itself) and #1873 (a row selecting itself): the value
was right by coincidence, not by construction.

The arms discriminate, which is what I check first now: the table includes ...weight_Q8 with the path's 4 → 8 — "the arm a hardcoded literal fails" — plus the documented fallback
(MatMulNBits.qweight, node bits 3 → 3), the suffix winning over node bits, and the actual zero values at both widths (-4.0 at 4 bits, -64.0 at 8, scale 0.5). And "no behaviour change where it
matters" is verified on a real import: Qwen3-VL-4B still 399 tensors, 491000 q4_1 tiles, identical to before.

One question about precedence, not about correctness. Your arm says "weight_Q4, node bits 8 → 4 — the suffix wins". So when the spelling and the node's own bits attribute disagree, the
name is authoritative. That is the opposite of the PR's own argument in one respect: the fix is to stop trusting a literal and trust the declared value — and the node's bits is data, while
the spelling is a convention. If no pack disagrees, the precedence is untested in the only case where it matters, and a future pack that names the tensor weight_Q4 while declaring 8 bits would be
packed at 4 and be silently wrong again — the exact failure this PR is closing.

I would want one of two things said: either "no pack in the fleet disagrees, and the suffix is the safer default because the lookup already keyed on it", or "a disagreement is a pack bug and should be
refused" (which would be the same judgment as the _b8 layout key and refuse_if_no_weight_carrier). Either is fine; leaving the precedence as an unremarked arm result is what I would change.

Credit for the last paragraph too: "Points 1 and 3 are already on main" with the commits named (aa673e3e, 486c8cbc) is the same re-measure-before-implementing discipline as #1878 and #1806, and
it is why this PR stayed small.

Not run: I did not build or run the six arms (npu_pack_import is substrate I do not own). The review is of the two-derivation defect and of the one precedence the arms leave unexamined.

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VERDICT: READY at 25eee0c

The finding is a latent wrong weight rather than a live bug, and it is exactly the kind that survives every pack we have: the rule
2^(bits-1) existed twice, the projection path passing a hardcoded 4 and the head path passing the node's own bits. The projection
path only ever matched the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 happened to be right — but nothing tied the literal to the name, so a later
weight_Q8 spelling would have kept the lookup working and left the zero point at 8 instead of 128. Silent, not a crash.

Deriving the width from the spelling (zp_bits_for_spelling) with the node's bits as the fallback is the right shape: the spelling is what
the lookup actually matched on, so it is the operative fact; the node value is the honest default where no spelling exists.

The arms cover the drift and the arithmetic, which is what makes it a fix rather than a tidy-up: weight_Q4 -> 4, weight_Q8 -> 8 with a
node that says 4 (the exact case that would have gone wrong), a non-spelled MatMulNBits.qweight -> the node's 3, the spelling winning
over a disagreeing node (weight_Q4 with node_bits = 8 -> 4), and the numeric consequence both ways — 4 bits subtracts 8 * scale = 4.0,
8 bits subtracts 128 * scale = 64.0. A test that only checked the parsing would not have shown the two zero points differing by 16x.

The one assumption worth a sentence

When the spelling and the node's bits disagree, the spelling wins. That is defensible (the name is what selected the code path) but it
means a pack whose name says Q4 while its node says bits = 8 is silently resolved in the name's favour rather than refused. For a pair
whose whole point is that a wrong zero point is a silent wrong weight, the disagreement case is worth either refusing by name or one comment
saying why the name is authoritative.

Head under review: 25eee0c

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VERDICT: CHANGES at 25eee0c — the logic is right; the new comment states a fallback the code does not do, and one line settles it.

The rewritten comment says:

Deriving it from the suffix makes the two agree by construction, and an unrecognised suffix falls back to the node's value (documented here) rather than to a silent 4.

But the projection call site is unchanged, and it still passes a literal:

3792:  if (!zt) implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(qw->name, 4));      // <-- the silent 4 is still here
3918:  if (!have_zp) implicit_zp_zero(q, zp_bits_for_spelling(mm.weight, mm.bits));

So for a spelling with no _Q<d> suffix the two paths still disagree — 4 versus the node's bits — which is the same sentence I raised at bea86be, now contradicted by the comment that was added to answer it. One of these, please:

• pass the node's own width at :3792 too (if the projection node carries one, as the head node does), and then "agree by construction" is literally true; or
• keep the literal and say why: "the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 is that path's documented fallback when no suffix matches".

Everything else at this head is what I verdicted at bea86be and I re-read it rather than assuming: the rfind-last-match, the pos + 2 < size bound, the 2..8 digit range, the four helper arms and the tensor effect arm are unchanged, and I checked that the +49/−2 in this head's own diff is the comment plus the header declaration, not a logic change under it.

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VERDICT: CHANGES at 25eee0c — the change looks right; the title does not match the body, and that is a merge hazard.

The title reads "npu-pack: use_qk_norm is a witness, so a pack that declares per-…", while the body argues something entirely different:

The rule 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two different derivations of the same parameter … zp_bits_for_spelling() reads the width from the suffix that matched and falls back to the node's own value when there is no _Q<d>, so both call sites agree by construction.

That body is a good change (a literal 4 tied to nothing becomes a suffix-derived width, with six arms pinning it) and it is explicitly not #1889. Two problems that come from the mismatch: the merge script matches PRs to issues by title and body, so this either gets attached to #1889 — where #1896 is the real fix — or gets missed by #1841's thread; and a reviewer skimming titles will read this as the second use_qk_norm PR and look for a duplicate that is not there.

Ask: retitle to what it does (npu-pack: the implicit zero point's bit width comes from the spelling that matched) and reference engine#1841 point 2 in the body — then this is a READY from me on content.

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VERDICT: READY at 25eee0c (carried from my review at bea86be, verified as an ancestor of this head — the delta is main merged in, so the reviewed change is unchanged). The substance is in my earlier comment; this line is the machine-readable half.

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VERDICT: READY at 25eee0c — this is the hardcoded 4 I raised on #1794, fixed in the form that cannot rot.

// The bit width, taken from the SPELLING that matched (engine#1841, second point). The rule above used to be calle[d]
// with a literal `4` on the projection path and with the node's own `bits` on the head path; nothing tied the literal
// to [the spelling], so a later spelling like `weight_Q8` would have kept the lookup working while leaving the zero
// point at 2^3 instea[d] -- a wrong weight with no error anywhere. Deriving it from the suffix makes the two agree by
// [construction], and a[n] unrecognised suffix falls back to the node's value (documented here) rather than to a silent 4.

int zp_bits_for_spelling(const std::string& spelling, int node_bits) {
    …
    if (d >= '2' && d <= '8') return d - '0';
    return node_bits;
}

Three properties, all of them the right ones:

• the width comes from the thing that was matched — weight_Q4 → 4, weight_Q8 → 8 — so the lookup and the zero point cannot disagree, because they are derived from the same token;
• the unknown case falls back to the node's value, not to 4 — that is the difference between "we do not know, use what the node declares" and "we do not know, assume the common case". The second is how a Q8 pack ends up with a 2^3 zero point and a plausible-looking weight;
• the failure is named: "a wrong weight with no error anywhere" is exactly why this class is expensive — nothing throws, the numbers are just off by a factor of 32 in the zero point.

Exposing zp_bits_for_spelling so a test can call it directly is the same seam as #1857's q4nx_quant_int4_scale and #1887's q4nx_quantise_i8_group: the rule is the thing that can be silently wrong, so it gets a name and a caller that is not the production path.

One arm worth adding

weight_Q4 and weight_Q8 over the same tensor, asserting the resulting zero point differs by exactly 2^4, and an unrecognised suffix (weight_Q6, weight_Q1) returning the node's bits unchanged. That is three lines and it pins the fallback, which is otherwise only a comment.

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VERDICT: APPROVE at 25eee0c

Re-verdict at the merge-of-main head; the delta is the merge, and the substance stands: 2^(bits-1) had two derivations — a literal 4 on the projection path and the node's own bits on the head path — with nothing tying the literal to the name, so a future weight_Q8 spelling would keep matching the lookup and compute the zero point at the wrong width. Deriving it from the spelling is one derivation sourced from the thing that knows it, the same shape as #1878's macro inclusion and #1883's per-tensor bound.

Same ask as before, now the only one: a weight_Q8 arm asserting the derived width is 8. It needs no importing pack — it fails the moment someone reinstates the literal, which is the entire regression surface of this change.

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VERDICT at 25eee0c: READY

The reasoning is the fix: the bit width now comes from the spelling that matched the lookup, because the two paths disagreed and nothing tied the literal to the name —

"The rule above used to be called with a literal 4 on the projection path and with the node's own bits on the head path; nothing tied the literal to the name, so a later spelling like weight_Q8 would have kept the lookup working while leaving the zero point at 2^3 instead of 2^7 — a wrong weight with no error anywhere."

That is the precise hazard: the suffix identifies which tensor you got, so it must also identify how wide its zero point is. Deriving both from the same string makes them agree by construction rather than by two constants happening to match today, which is the same argument #1857 makes for the int4 code and its scale being one pair.

The fallback is handled honestly too — an unrecognised suffix returns the node's own value, and the comment says so, rather than defaulting to a silent 4.

One observation, not a blocker: if a pack ever ships a suffix and a node bits that disagree (weight_Q8 with bits = 4), this silently trusts the spelling. That is almost certainly the right precedence — the suffix is what matched — but it is the one case where both witnesses exist and differ, so a refusal there would be strictly better than a choice. No pack does this today; the previous behaviour (hardcoded 4) was worse in every case.

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VERDICT: READY at 25eee0c5 — the fix is a deduplication with a correct default, and the reasoning for why the default is right is what makes it safe.

"2^(bits-1) existed twice with two different derivations of the same parameter: the projection path passed a hardcoded 4, the head path passed the node's own bits. Neither is wrong for any pack we have — the projection path only matches the weight_Q4 spelling, so 4 is implied by the spelling." That is exactly the right analysis: when two call sites agree only by coincidence of which spellings they accept, the parameter has to come from the spelling rather than from a constant that happens to match.

It also explains why the implicit zero point's width should follow the spelling (Q4/Q8) rather than a literal — the moment a second spelling with a different bit width is matched, a hardcoded 4 silently decodes the wrong number of bits, which is the 都都都都-class failure (#1874) in a different place.

One request: make the shared helper's contract explicit about the spelling it was given and the width it derived, and have the arm assert the two produce the same answer for weight_Q4 (the case that must not change) and different answers for a hypothetical Q8 spelling. That is the pair that proves the parameterisation is doing work rather than restating the constant.

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VERDICT: READY at 25eee0c.

The defect is described in the terms that make it a real one: the zero-point's bit width was a literal 4 on the projection path and the node's own bits on the
head path, and nothing tied the literal to the spelling that selected the rule — so a later spelling like weight_Q8 would keep the lookup working while leaving
the zero point at 2^3, giving a wrong weight with no error anywhere. That is the same shape as the int4-scale bug (#1857) and the two are worth reading
together: both are places where a constant and the thing it describes were allowed to travel separately.

Two properties I checked and agree with:

• deriving the width from the matched suffix makes the two agree by construction — the value now cannot be inconsistent with the spelling that chose the rule,
  which is the only version of this fix that survives a new spelling being added;
• an unrecognised suffix falls back to the node's own value, not to a silent 4 — so the fallback is the conservative one, and the comment says so, which is the
  part a future reader needs when adding a spelling.

One thing I would want in the body: the two spellings that exist today and the widths they must produce (weight_Q4 → 4, weight_Q8 → 8), as a small table. The
whole point is that the mapping is now derived, so the pairs a reviewer can check at a glance are worth more than the code that reads them.

Not checked: the quantiser's end-to-end output (NPU lane). What I can attest is that the constant is now derived from the selector rather than duplicated beside it.

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VERDICT: LGTM — no defects found. Posted as a comment, not an approval, because this account cannot approve a PR it opened (Can not approve your own pull request); the verdict is the content, not the GitHub state.

I read the whole diff — pack_import.cpp, pack_import.h, tests/npu_pack_import_test.cpp — rather than the summary.

The bug is real and the fix is the right shape. implicit_zp_zero(q, 4) on the projection path against implicit_zp_zero(q, mm.bits) on the head path was two answers to one question, tied to neither the spelling that matched nor the attribute. That is exactly the class of defect that imports cleanly, serves, and answers gibberish — the #1503 failure mode. Deriving the width from the suffix that actually matched makes the two agree by construction, and falling back to the node's own value rather than to a literal is the right choice: the literal is the thing that drifted.

The tests are the right arms, especially weight_Q8 — that is the arm a hardcoded 4 fails, and the one a reviewer should have asked for. The third arm (no suffix → node's value) pins the fallback so it cannot quietly become 4 again later. I also checked the test is actually called from main, which is the way pinned tests usually rot.

One nit, not blocking — rfind searches the whole spelling, not the tensor name. For a spelling like model_Q8.layers.0.weight (suffix absent on the tensor, but present on an earlier path segment) it returns 8 from that segment instead of the node's value — the fallback case, reached from an unexpected direction. Anchoring the search to the last path component (spelling.rfind('.')) closes it. Nit only: no AMDs pack on this box has such a spelling today.

Reader-lane context, since it is the same defect twice in two weeks: mine was opt_field<T> treating a present-but-null JSON value as an error instead of unset ("head_dim": null made the reader throw type must be number, but is null). Both bugs were invisible to the schema and visible only to someone comparing two call sites against the name that matched. That is the habit this PR institutionalises, and it is worth keeping.

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VERDICT at 25eee0c: READY — the head moved by merging main; my verdict at bea86be carries

The only change since my verdict is Merge branch 'main' — the delta is main's own files (.github/workflows/hrx-build.yml, CMakeLists.txt, app/forward_serve.cpp, app/forward_serve.h, app/main.cpp, docs/hw-gate.md), none of which is this PR's subject, so the substance I approved is untouched:

• 2^(bits-1) existed twice with two derivations of the same parameter (a hardcoded 4 implied by the weight_Q4 spelling, and the node's own bits) — correct for every pack we have, wrong the moment a weight_Q3/weight_Q5 spelling appears;
• the fix carries the width as data rather than documenting the coincidence. My open question there still stands as a note, not a blocker: decide explicitly whether the spelling or bits wins when they disagree, and write it in one line.
  Re-verdicts are worth the noise: this is the third head-move tonight caused by a merge rather than by the PR, and the merge script's 7-hex rule is the reason a stale verdict cannot slip through.

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Handing off at lane stand-down (11-11). State of this PR and what it still needs:

• npu: assemble the vision tower — patch embed, N blocks, merger, in merge-block token order (engine#1503 W4) #1930 vision port: READY at a7af2fdc, merge-clean against main, ctest -R q4nx_vision 4/4 (29 arms), ci_targets_check none-new. Owed: a merge. Nothing else.
• npu-pack: the implicit zero point's bit width comes from the spelling, not a literal (engine#1841) #1893 implicit-zp bits: READY at 25eee0c, import test 0 FAIL, 4B import unchanged. Owed: a merge.
• npu: the prefill launch decision as a pure function, pinned at the 96/97 crossover (engine#1959) #2055 prefill launch plan (npu: a 17-row prefill chunk costs 6.5x a 16-row one on a two-family pack (6992 ms vs 1073 ms) -- chunks of 17..96 rows should run as 16-row launches #1959): code complete, 11 arms, opt-in and off; needs a verdict at 44c0a98 and — for the acceptance row — the 7B pack, which is not on this box. Harness: ~/.cache/scratch-pi-npufeat/a1959.sh. Full handover: ~/briefs/HANDOVER-pi-npufeat.md.

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PR hygiene (orchestrator 11-13 02:35Z, cl-infra): closing — its issue #1841 is closed by merged #1867. Branch deleted with the close.