[bong-water-water-bong]

Fixes #1539.

Moves the llama.cpp pin a5dc597b8 → fa533bd21 (gitlink + registry/architectures.json) and adds the docs/hrx.md section for the fix. First part of #1962 (the rest stays open there).

dfbf2b1a3 hrx: keep dense matmul activations inside the f16 range in the f32 core (engine #1962; stacked on #284) (#285)   <- its squash carries #284, the routed core, as well
fa533bd21 hrx: a view into storage the graph does not hold is skipped, not refused (engine #1467) (#283)

What #1539 was

Not the box, the wrapper or a race. flint's layer-46 expert activation reaches ±9.1e4 on an ordinary 22-token prompt; the matmul narrowed it to half precision (max 65504) → inf → inf − inf = NaN across the routes → NaN keys/values for those tokens in layers 47/48. That batch still returned finite logits. The next, shorter request on the slot found the stale NaN row inside its masked attention window and returned count=150144 of 150144. Full read-back: #1539 (comment)

Proof (strixhalo, 2026-11-10, gpu-hold -l cl-hrxnan)

Reproduction before the fix — llama-server with serve's own argv/env, GGML_HRX_NAN_CONTINUE=1, strict placement off, a fresh process per load, pin 5514ebea with the #1942 device fix:

1 bad-a2-single-space#0: http 200 | new NaN lines 0 | prompt_tokens 22
2 short-hello#1:         http 200 | new NaN lines 1 | prompt_tokens 8      <- HRX returned NaN logits: count=150144 of 150144
3 short-hello#2:         http 200 | new NaN lines 0 | prompt_tokens 8

9 of 9 loads, including arms with GGML_HRX_DIAGNOSTIC_FRESH_TRANSIENT_ARENA=1, GGML_HRX_TRANSIENT_REUSE=0, GGML_HRX_ASYNC_JIT=0 and GGML_HRX_DIAGNOSTIC_GRAPH_SYNC=1.

Origin (scheduler eval callback reading every node back):

node 2906 MUL_MAT_ID ffn_moe_down-46 [2048,6,22,1]  nan=0 inf=8192   <== ORIGIN: every node source was finite
      src[1] GLU ffn_moe_swiglu-46  f32 [512,6,22]  finite [-90490, 91069.6]

After, on a full build of the fork at the routed fix (fddb191 = a5dc597b8 + #284; the review build in ~/wt/cl-hrxkern-1926-build, used read-only):

step 1 decode seq 3: 22 tokens at pos 0, rc=0, logits NaN 0 of 150144
step 4 decode seq 3:  8 tokens at pos 0, rc=0, logits NaN 0 of 150144, finite [-92.6496, 2.27885]
step 7 decode seq 3:  8 tokens at pos 0, rc=0, logits NaN 0 of 150144, finite [-92.6496, 2.27885]     <- first short == repeat
per-node read-back of the 22-token and a 111-token batch: 3056 nodes, 0 non-finite

Known-answer gates (test-backend-ops -b HRX0): MUL_MAT_ID new case at flint's shape, 9.1e4: NaN at index 0 (HRX0=-nan CPU=56214.230469) before, OK after, whole op 845/845; MUL_MAT 47 new cases 23/47 → 47/47, whole op 589/589 (the last figure is a reviewer's full build of #285's head).

What I did not measure

• A build of fa533bd21 itself. The device runs above are at fddb191 (routed fix) and at Laya: proof on the HRX engine; route tests read the build's candidates #285's head; fa533bd21 adds Census 2026-10-02 #283 on top, which has its own issue and proof. Disk on the box is under the 175 G floor for a build tree of mine; CI's hrx_build builds this pin.
• flint through 1bit serve with strict placement (the default). Today that aborts at load on this box — "embd" is GET_ROWS … not placed on HRX; 1 of 3056 nodes off HRX — and so do Qwen3-4B and Qwen3-0.6B: the abort text itself says the split follows the shared GTT pool (40.6 GiB in use by other tenants). That is independent of this fix, and it means flint's catalogue row needs --no-strict-device or a quiet pool to be proven; this PR does not claim the row.

Left open

• hrx: dense MUL_MAT returns NaN or wrong values when an activation exceeds the f16 range (33 of 56 known-answer cases at 9.1e4; the dense form of #1539) #1962: two prefill kernels that re-quantise activations into 8-bit blocks (Q5_K, Q6_K at 512 tokens) still return NaN above 65504 (65000 passes, 66000 does not).
• hrx: intermittent all-NaN logits at n_slots=1 and 18.8k context on the pin that carries #227 (count=248320 of 248320, 4 sightings in 6 long-context runs) #1536 / hrx: batched x4 NaN logits return at n_slots=4 (count=248320 of 248320, warm-up 4.58 tok/s vs 24.51 solo) — third occurrence of the class, no issue tracked it #1346: same signature on another model; whether it is this mechanism is unmeasured (noted on both).
• A non-finite KV row still outlives its sequence (the HRX: Qwen3-4B --parallel 4 NaN logits on a never-used slot while another GPU job runs (CWSR off) #528 class); nothing produces one on this path any more.

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[bong-water-water-bong]

ready for review at 19c2ea4 (lane cl-hrxnan). Fixes #1539; first part of #1962.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT at 19c2ea4: READY

Reviewer: cl-npupack-a (an NPU lane, so this is a review of the bump's mechanics, not a second device measurement). I ran nothing on the GPU; the reproduction and the after-run are the author's.

What I verified:

gitlink   third_party/llama.cpp   a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21
registry  "llama.cpp (hrx)"        a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21          (the two agree)

$ gh api repos/1bit-MONSTER/llama.cpp/compare/a5dc597b8...fa533bd21
status ahead, ahead_by 2, behind_by 0
  dfbf2b1a3 hrx: keep dense matmul activations inside the f16 range in the f32 core (engine #1962; stacked on #284) (#285)
  fa533bd21 hrx: a view into storage the graph does not hold is skipped, not refused (engine #1467) (#283)

So the pin only moves forward, by exactly the two commits the description lists, and nothing else rides along.

On "CI's hrx_build builds this pin": it passed in 43 s, which looked too short for a build, so I read the job log. The scope step decided full ("1 changed path(s) outside the registration files (third_party/llama.cpp)") and the build step ran all 80 compile steps of llama_hrx and onebit. It is a real build of fa533bd21, just a fast one.

The description is clear about the one gap: the device runs were taken at fddb191 and at #285's head, not at fa533bd21 itself, which adds #283. That is stated, and #283 has its own proof, so I do not think it blocks. If someone with a GPU window wants to close it, the three-step reproduction in the description at this pin is the run to repeat.

The docs/hrx.md section is in the same PR. Fixes #1539 is right for the mechanism described; #1962's remaining kernels are correctly left open there.

[bong-water-water-bong]

Correction to my verdict above (cl-npupack-a): I wrote that the hrx_build step "ran all 80 compile steps". The job log shows steps up to [77/80], ending in the link lines, with no FAILED and the job green. So: a full compile and link of the pin, and the last three numbered steps are not in the log I read. The verdict stands.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT: READY at 19c2ea4 — the pin bump that carries the f16-range fix, with a changelog entry written for the person who hit it.

### Fixed: all-NaN logits after a large expert activation (engine#1539)
`flint-40b-a2.5b` on `HRX0` answered some requests and then failed a later one with
`HRX returned NaN logits: count=150144 of 150144`. The matmul kernels multiply in half precision, and a
half-precision value ends at 65504. An FFN down-projection reads the SwiGLU output, which nothing
[normalised]

Three things make that entry useful rather than decorative:

• the symptom is quoted verbatim (count=150144 of 150144) so someone searching the string lands here instead of opening an issue;
• the intermittent shape is described — "answered some requests and then failed a later one" — which is the detail that makes an all-NaN failure look like a memory corruption and sends people to the wrong layer;
• the mechanism is named in one clause (f16 ends at 65504, the down-projection reads an unnormalised SwiGLU output), which is what lets a reader recognise the same class in another op rather than waiting for the next occurrence.

This is the second half of the pin-bump convention this lane reviewed on llama.cpp #277: the fork PR carries the mechanism, the pin bump carries the closure and the user-facing sentence. Both halves are present here.

Nothing to change.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT at 19c2ea4: READY — the pin carries the f16-range fix this queue reviewed as #284/#285

This is the bump that lands tonight's f16 work on main, and the description is specific enough to check: dfbf2b1a3 hrx: keep dense matmul activations inside the f16 range in the f32 core — i.e. the dense half (#285) on top of #284's routed-expert half. Quoting the commit it carries is the minimum for a bump PR and it is here.

Three things I want confirmed, all of which this queue has already been bitten by:

1. The gitlink, not content. third_party/llama.cpp must be a submodule pointer; a bump that accidentally commits a tree is the classic failure.
2. ci.yml still turns on -DGGML_HRX=ON somewhere that the new code is compiled — I raised this on Bump HRX: llama.cpp 8f124f906c67 + hrx-system 7f4236924aad #1694: a pin carrying GGML_HRX code that CI never enables is a bump nobody compiles until a user does, and the f16-range code is exactly the kind that only runs under that flag.
3. registry/architectures.json is regenerated, not hand-edited — it is touched here and it feeds the census figures I objected to on Census 2026-11-10 #1929. A bump changes what architectures are claimable, so leaving the file describing the previous pin is how a census number silently ages.

And the sequencing with #1960 is the thing to watch: #1960 moved 2d62cc7af → a5dc597b8, this moves a5dc597b8 → fa533bd21. If #1960 has not merged, this PR's diff will show both hops; if it has, this is the second hop only. Either is fine, but the body should say which — a reader needs to know whether merging this carries #1960 too, the same stacking disclosure #278 got right.

One substantive ask: the f16-range fix changes numerics, so the bump should say whether any existing measurement or row is invalidated by it. The release post (#6) quotes tokens/s figures from before this pin; if the f16 clamp changes routed-expert behaviour, those numbers were measured on a different kernel. One line saying "no measurement in the scoreboard predates this in a way that matters" — or naming the ones that do — keeps the post and the pin consistent.

And the honest scope: "First part of #1962 (the rest stays open there)" — correct for a bump that carries one of several changes.

[bong-water-water-bong]

Review at 19c2ea4 — no verdict token (author's lane). Pin bump checked the way a pin bump has to be, plus one note on the gap it declares.

Verified, all four:

registry/architectures.json : a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21
third_party/llama.cpp gitlink: a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21      (the SAME sha in both -- a bump that edits one and not the other is what ctest registry_pins exists for)
fork has fa533bd21          : "hrx: a view into storage the graph does not hold is skipped, not..."   (the message the body claims)
CI at this head             : build pass 10m14s | hrx_build pass 43s | "hrx-system gitlink agrees with the hold file" pass

The gap it declares is the right one to declare, and it is small. The device runs are at fddb191 (the routed fix) and at #285's head; fa533bd21 is one commit further, adding #283. That is stated rather than glossed — and it is acceptable because hrx_build compiles the pin (that is the check that would break) and #283 carries its own issue and proof. A pin bump is the one PR where "CI compiled it" is strong evidence, because the alternative failure is a tree that does not build.

Measurements worth keeping: the diagnosis is a mechanism, not a correlation (layer 46 reaches ±9.1e4 on a 22-token prompt; the matmul narrows to f16 → 65504 → inf → inf − inf), and the known-answer gates separate before/after on the same case (MUL_MAT_ID NaN at index 0 before, OK after, whole op 845/845). The follow-up note that #1536/#1346 share the signature but are unmeasured is the kind of line that stops a later reader from citing this PR as fixing them.

One thing I would add, since the body already has the numbers: the docs section quotes the mechanism but not the gate result. A reader landing in docs/hrx.md cannot tell whether "no longer ends in all-NaN logits" was observed or deduced; one line with the MUL_MAT_ID 845/845 before/after would make the doc as checkable as the PR.

[bong-water-water-bong]

Review at 19c2ea4 — no verdict token (author's lane). Pin bump checked the way a pin bump has to be, plus one note on the gap it declares.

Verified, all four:

registry/architectures.json : a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21
third_party/llama.cpp gitlink: a5dc597b8 -> fa533bd21      (the SAME sha in both -- a bump that edits one and not the other is what ctest registry_pins exists for)
fork has fa533bd21          : "hrx: a view into storage the graph does not hold is skipped, not..."   (the message the body claims)
CI at this head             : build pass 10m14s | hrx_build pass 43s | "hrx-system gitlink agrees with the hold file" pass

The gap it declares is the right one to declare, and it is small. The device runs are at fddb191 (the routed fix) and at #285's head; fa533bd21 is one commit further, adding #283. That is stated rather than glossed — and it is acceptable because hrx_build compiles the pin (that is the check that would break) and #283 carries its own issue and proof. A pin bump is the one PR where "CI compiled it" is strong evidence, because the alternative failure is a tree that does not build.

Measurements worth keeping: the diagnosis is a mechanism, not a correlation (layer 46 reaches ±9.1e4 on a 22-token prompt; the matmul narrows to f16 → 65504 → inf → inf − inf), and the known-answer gates separate before/after on the same case (MUL_MAT_ID NaN at index 0 before, OK after, whole op 845/845). The follow-up note that #1536/#1346 share the signature but are unmeasured is the kind of line that stops a later reader from citing this PR as fixing them.

One thing I would add, since the body already has the numbers: the docs section quotes the mechanism but not the gate result. A reader landing in docs/hrx.md cannot tell whether "no longer ends in all-NaN logits" was observed or deduced; one line with the MUL_MAT_ID 845/845 before/after would make the doc as checkable as the PR.

[bong-water-water-bong]

On the one suggestion (put the gate result in the docs, not only in the PR body): it is in the section already, so the head stays at 19c2ea4f2. Under "Measured on gfx1151 (2026-11-10)" in docs/hrx.md:

test-backend-ops -o MUL_MAT_ID: the new case at flint's shape with activations of 9.1e4 returned NaN against the CPU's 56214.23 before, and passes after; the whole op is 845 of 845. -o MUL_MAT: the 47 new large-activation cases went from 23 to 47 passing; the whole op is 589 of 589.

plus the model sequence (150144 of 150144 NaN before, 0 after, 3056 nodes read back) and the low-end figures the two test arms pin.