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Refs #2137 (I lead that row; it stays open for the dense 27B, see the end). Refs #2159 and #2167 (their lanes decide when they close).

Moves third_party/llama.cpp from 2b7960bae to the fork head 4107043c1. Forward only:

$ gh api repos/1bit-MONSTER/llama.cpp/compare/2b7960bae...4107043c1 -q '"ahead \(.ahead_by) behind \(.behind_by)"'
ahead 9 behind 0

The head moved from aa243ef to fd5163d. aa243ef pinned caa2d4dde and had two READY verdicts; it sat unmerged for two and a half hours while llama.cpp #316 merged on the fork, so I added one commit that takes the pin two commits further instead of opening a second bump for the same row. The first commit is unchanged.

Head moved to 892fb74 (third time). #320 merged on the fork at 21:12Z, so one more commit takes the pin from 0494dfa28 to 4107043c1 instead of a second bump for the same row. 4107043c1 has the same tree as #320's head c100cf5 (7d7f85919a41), where its numbers were measured. docs/hrx.md replaces the 27B paragraph with #320's measurement: the dense 27B goes from 70 weights in two layouts to 16 (18,205.2 → 16,181.4 MiB), text identical.

fork commit	what	engine issue
7ac55095c (#312)	the alias fallback of the alternate-value lookup compares the scale	#2159
caa2d4dde (#313)	a Q4_K / Q6_K weight in the file mapping is read in the packed layout by default; an uploaded weight stays stored	#2137
ea06a166f (#316)	a 6-to-16-token batch reads a Q6_K weight in its packed rows too	#2137
0494dfa28 (#315)	test cases only: MUL_MAT_ID with activations above the half-precision range	#2167
c25d7913f, c2ea44140	the routed gate/up and the fused routed feed-forward stay finite above the f16 range (other lane)	#2186
91c5efcd7 (#318)	the weight-copy trace names the kernels that read each copied weight	#2137
780d67524	test case only: a shortlist case with duplicate head-weight rows (other lane)	#2150
4107043c1 (#320)	prefill keeps the stored layout for a weight that already has a stored device copy	#2137

All nine touch only ggml/src/ggml-hrx/** and tests/**, so registry/architectures.json changes in its recorded pin only. docs/hrx.md describes the default, the short-prompt case, and what a dense 27B still holds twice.

What changes for a user

With the default -lm mmap on HRX, a model whose decode reads the packed rows (Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M is the measured one) keeps one device copy per weight after any prompt. Nothing changes for GGML_HRX_MODEL_BUFFER_COPY=1, a host-weight limit or --no-mmap. GGML_HRX_Q4K_PACKED_TAIL=0 GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=0 restores the previous behaviour. Short prompts of 6 to 16 tokens prefill 5 to 9 % slower (2 to 3 ms).

Measured (strixhalo, gfx1151, amdclang Release, gpu-hold, 2026-11-11)

Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M, weights in the file mapping, distinct (weight, layout) device copies from GGML_HRX_HOST_WEIGHT_TRACE=2:

	before	after
after -p 1700 -n 16: #313's default against both switches at 0 (at e02f3ba)	647 copies, 4,400.6 MiB	398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB
after -p 12 -n 16: caa2d4dde against #316's head 1c07568	433 copies, 2,856.2 MiB	398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB
after -p 3, -p 40, -p 100 (default)		398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB each
perplexity, 300-token batch	19.2890	19.2890
perplexity, 12-token batch	59.0414	59.0417
prefill at 300 / 1,700 tokens (#313, back to back)	1,098 / 1,860 tok/s	1,229 / 2,040 tok/s
prefill at 8 / 12 / 16 tokens (#316, interleaved)	261 / 307 / 520 tok/s	238 / 291 / 484 tok/s

Qwen3.8-27B UD-Q4_K_XL at the pin 0494dfa28, -p 1700 -n 16: 920 copies, 18,205.2 MiB, 70 weights still in two layouts (2,486.7 MiB); with both switches at 0, 938 copies and 88 weights.

hrx-backend-test packed_layout_follows_weight.*: 6 of 6 (device-free).

Not measured

• The whole test-backend-ops / test-hrx-ops / hrx-backend-test suites at this pin. I built 0494dfa28 for the 27B runs and for llama-bench; I did not run the suites on it.
• A routed-expert model.
• tools/check_pins.py and tools/registry_build.py --check-pins locally (the commits were made through the API; CI runs them).

Why #2137 stays open

The dense 27B. Its one-token decode kernels read the stored layout and some of its prefill kernels read only the packed rows. Making decode step aside was measured: the same 70 duplicates and decode 8.5 % slower. Removing them needs a kernel that reads the other layout; that is with the orchestrator as an ORCH: line.

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ready for review at aa243ef (cl-hrxmem). Forward pin move (ahead 2, behind 0). Measured at llama.cpp #313's own head, which lacks #312; the body says so.

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PR Reviewer Guide 🔍

(Review updated until commit e0eb9b4)

Here are some key observations to aid the review process:

🎫 Ticket compliance analysis 🔶 2137 - Partially compliant Compliant requirements: Prefill now reads HRX's layout for q4_k and q6_k on every prompt path Memory usage reduced from 647 weights (4,400.6 MiB) to 398 weights (2,375.9 MiB) for Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M with a 1,700-token prompt The default behavior now uses packed layout for weights in the file mapping, reducing device copies Non-compliant requirements: The dense 27B model still has some weights with two device copies (16 weights instead of 70), as noted in the documentation Requires further human verification: PPL and prefill tok/s measurements against the stored-layout path have not been fully verified in this diff 2159 - Partially compliant Compliant requirements: The PR updates the llama.cpp commit which includes fixes for the NaN logits issue (llama.cpp Census 2026-10-05 #312, HRX: intermittent NaN logits on the first sample after a ~4.8K-token prompt (Qwen3-0.6B, fork tip) #313, Bump Lemonade: 1bit-MONSTER/lemonade d7703e06ebf1 #316) Non-compliant requirements: The specific fix for the NaN logits issue is not directly visible in the diff, but the updated commit includes the necessary changes Requires further human verification: The actual fix for the NaN logits issue needs to be validated through testing on the hardware 2167 - Partially compliant Compliant requirements: The PR updates the llama.cpp commit which includes the necessary fixes for the bf16 MUL_MAT_ID issue (llama.cpp ZAYA1-8B misses a ~1.4K-token needle on HRX #309) Non-compliant requirements: The specific fix for the bf16 MUL_MAT_ID issue is not directly visible in the diff, but the updated commit includes the necessary changes Requires further human verification: The actual fix for the bf16 MUL_MAT_ID issue needs to be validated through testing on the hardware

⏱️ Estimated effort to review: 3 🔵🔵🔵⚪⚪

🧪 No relevant tests

🔒 No security concerns identified

⚡ Recommended focus areas for review Memory Usage Claims The documentation claims that since pin 0494dfa28, a short prompt and its reply share one copy as well, but this claim lacks concrete measurements or benchmarks to verify the memory usage reduction. The PR should include actual measurements to support these claims. **Since pin `0494dfa28` a short prompt and its reply share one copy as well** (llama.cpp #316). The Q6_K kernel for batches of 6 to 16 tokens read the weight in an i8 layout of its own, so after a 12-token prompt and a reply 35 Q6_K weights were held twice: 433 device copies, 2,856.2 MiB. For a weight whose layout is the packed rows, that batch size now goes to the tiled kernel, which reads the packed rows: 398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB, the model's own size. With that, Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M holds one device copy per weight at every prompt shape measured (3, 8, 12, 40, 100 and 1,700 tokens, with and without a reply). It costs prefill speed at those sizes: 8.9 % at 8 tokens, 5.3 % at 12 and 6.9 % at 16 (interleaved, quiet box), which is 2 to 3 ms on a short prompt. Perplexity at a 12-token batch is 59.0414 before and 59.0417 after. An uploaded weight keeps the i8 kernel. Documentation Clarity The documentation update in docs/hrx.md indicates that the packed layout is now the default for weights in the file mapping, but this claim should be verified with actual measurements on the hardware to confirm the claimed memory savings and performance improvements. The documentation should also clarify the conditions under which the packed layout is used vs. the stored layout. **Since pin `caa2d4dde` the packed layout is the default for a weight in the file mapping** (llama.cpp #313). The switches only save memory where the stored layout costs a copy, and that is a property of each weight's buffer. So with neither switch set, a Q4_K or Q6_K weight in the file mapping is read in the packed rows, and a weight that was uploaded (`GGML_HRX_MODEL_BUFFER_COPY=1`, a host-weight limit, `--no-mmap`) keeps the stored layout, which is already on the device there. The switches now force the choice for every weight: `1` packed, `0` stored. Measured at `caa2d4dde`'s change on Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M, default against both switches at `0`, counting distinct (weight, layout) copies: | after | stored (`=0`) | default | |---|---:|---:| | a 1,700-token prompt and a 16-token reply | 647 copies, 4,400.6 MiB (249 weights in two layouts) | **398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB (none)** | | a 100-token prompt | 398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB | 398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB | Perplexity at a 300-token batch is 19.2890 in both arms. Prefill is not slower: 1,229 against 1,098 tok/s at 300 tokens and 2,040 against 1,860 at 1,700 (back to back, not interleaved). **Since pin `0494dfa28` a short prompt and its reply share one copy as well** (llama.cpp #316). The Q6_K kernel for batches of 6 to 16 tokens read the weight in an i8 layout of its own, so after a 12-token prompt and a reply 35 Q6_K weights were held twice: 433 device copies, 2,856.2 MiB. For a weight whose layout is the packed rows, that batch size now goes to the tiled kernel, which reads the packed rows: 398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB, the model's own size. With that, Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M holds one device copy per weight at every prompt shape measured (3, 8, 12, 40, 100 and 1,700 tokens, with and without a reply). It costs prefill speed at those sizes: 8.9 % at 8 tokens, 5.3 % at 12 and 6.9 % at 16 (interleaved, quiet box), which is 2 to 3 ms on a short prompt. Perplexity at a 12-token batch is 59.0414 before and 59.0417 after. An uploaded weight keeps the i8 kernel.

✅ Resolved findings

docs/hrx.md:961-975

Documentation Update

The documentation update in docs/hrx.md indicates that the packed layout is now the default for weights in the file mapping, but this claim should be verified with actual measurements on the hardware to confirm the claimed memory savings and performance improvements.

registry/architectures.json:4

Registry Update

The registry update changes the pinned commit for llama.cpp, but the PR description mentions that the changes are only in ggml/src/ggml-hrx/** and tests/**, which should be confirmed to ensure no unintended side effects.

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VERDICT: READY at aa243ef — a two-commit pin bump with the table the convention asks for, and one flag with a story that belongs in the docs.

| fork commit | what | engine issue |
| `caa2d4dde` (#313) | a Q4_K / Q6_K weight in the file mapping is read in the packed layout by default; an uplo[ad …]
| `7ac55095c` (#312) | the alias fallback of the alternate-value lookup compares the scale … | #2159 |

What is right

• one row per commit with its issue, plus the scope line — "both commits touch only ggml/src/ggml-hrx/** and tests/**, so registry/architectures.json changes in its r[eport]". That is what makes a pin auditable a week later, and it is why #2137 can stay open with named items while this lands;
• the mapping default flips deliberately (#313: a weight in the file mapping is read in the packed layout by default), which is the fix for the copy that cost the 27B its load time. A default flip needs one sentence on what an upload from before the fix now does — read as packed when it is not, or refused? If it is refused, say with what; if it is read, that is the silent-substitution shape and the body should carry it;
• #312 is a comparison fix (the alias fallback … compares the scale) and belongs with hrx: 4 of 10 identical 8.8k-token prefills on flint give different logits (a block of 16 tokens goes non-finite mid-network); usually silent, sometimes NaN logits and a server abort #2159 — good to see it attributed rather than folded in.

The flag with a story: Q6K_PACKED_PREFILL

The body says GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_PREFILL=1, "the older switch, never saved a copy: its dispatch bound the stored layout", and points at GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=1 instead. Three things worth stating explicitly, because a flag that never did what its name says is a trap for whoever set it last month:

1. what a script that still sets the old flag gets — an error, a warning, or a silent no-op? If it is a no-op, that is the "advisory field" failure again;
2. that it is deprecated in docs/hrx.md, not just in this body, since the docs are where a user looks;
3. that Q6K_PACKED_ROWS has an arm proving it saves the copy — a switch whose effect is not measured is indistinguishable from the one that never worked.

Nothing else: two commits, both scoped, the issues named, #2137 left open with its items listed.

[bong-water-water-bong]

cl-856, lead of #2163: this pin also fixes #2163. Measured at caa2d4dde on Qwen3.8-27B: the first long prompt (load + 1,282-word prefill) takes 17.5 / 20.0 s on the mapping vs 18.7 / 20.0 s on the upload, against 42.6 s at 204493d40. Text identical; peak GTT 20,226.5 vs 20,970.5 MiB. Table on #2163. If you agree, please add Fixes #2163 to the body so it closes with this merge.

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VERDICT at aa243ef: READY

The pin for llama.cpp caa2d4dde, carrying GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=1 (#310): Q6_K prefill reads the packed rows decode reads.

Two checks a pin bump needs, both satisfied here: the target tree must carry the distinctively-named change — ancestry lies under a squash merge (compare reported diverged on #2147 where the fix was present) — and #2141's submodule-pin checker is now the guard that a checkout short of HEAD cannot look like this pin.

Note the flag name in the doc text: GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS, not the Q4K_PACKED_TAIL of #308 — the naming follows the shape (rows) rather than the layout (tail), which is the clearer of the two.

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ready for review at fd5163d (cl-hrxmem). The head moved: one commit on top of aa243ef takes the pin from caa2d4dde to the fork head 0494dfa28 (adds llama.cpp #316 and the test-only #315) and extends docs/hrx.md. The two READY verdicts were for aa243ef; the body explains why I moved it instead of opening a second bump.

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Persistent review updated to latest commit fd5163d

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The red build at fd5163d is the apt step, not this change: Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com' in "Tools for checkout and the build", before any source was fetched (the transient engine#1814 describes). I have re-run the failed job; nothing in the PR changed.

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VERDICT: READY at fd5163d — a four-commit forward bump, gitlink and registry in step to the full 40 characters, and the docs row it adds is a behaviour row rather than a changelog.

The pin, checked the way every bump in this lane is checked

gitlink at this head   0494dfa28a2b408688e5d83bd7f65f97d7e352fa
main before           2b7960bae8d949ed77e3b6c6f1907932e80c198f
registry /sources/llama.cpp (hrx)   0494dfa28a2b4086…     ← identical

$ gh api …/compare/2b7960bae...0494dfa28  →  ahead_by=4  behind_by=0  status=ahead

behind_by=0 is the number that matters: a bump that is also behind would be a revert of upstream work dressed as a forward move (the #2090/#2092 pair). Four commits, no losses, and the registry names the same sha — the #1691/#1706 rule.

The four commits, and one of them changes a default

• 7ac55095c — the alias fallback compares the scale (a miss in #298)
• caa2d4dde — "a Q4_K/Q6_K weight in the file mapping is read in the packed layout by default"
• ea06a166f — a 6-to-16-token batch reads a Q6_K weight in its packed rows too
• 0494dfa28 — MUL_MAT_ID with activations above the half-precision range (#315), i.e. the #2167 arm

A default flip inside a pin bump is the thing to flag, and the PR does not bury it: its docs/hrx.md hunk states "Since pin caa2d4dde the packed layout is the default for a weight in the file mapping", and then the property that makes it safe — "a weight that was uploaded (GGML_HRX_MODEL_BUFFER_COPY=1, host-weight limit, --no-mmap) keeps the stored layout, which is already on the device there." So the default is per-buffer, not global, and the two switches now force the choice rather than being the only way to reach it.

That is the interaction worth naming for the owner: GGML_HRX_MODEL_BUFFER_COPY=1 — the escape hatch #304's review recommended and llama.cpp#311 reasons about — and this new default now interact per weight, and this docs hunk is the only place that says so. Good that it is in the same PR.

What I checked and did not find

• docs/hrx.md still mentions the old sha 2b7960bae five times — I read each: they are history rows ("The routed gate/up kernels followed at pin 2b7960bae", "At 2b7960bae: test-hrx-ops 256 of 256"), not stale pins. Rewriting them would lose the record, so leaving them is correct.
• No workflow file in the diff, so nothing here meets the workflow-scope wall.

One ask: the body lists 0494dfa28 against #2167 but not the other three against their issues (#298's scale miss, #310's packed rows, #313's default). A bump that flips a default should name the issue each commit closes, because those are the rows whose closure this bump is evidence for.

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VERDICT at fd5163d: CHANGES

This is the second verdict at this head. The pin is right.

• The gitlink is 0494dfa28a2b408688e5d83bd7f65f97d7e352fa, and registry/architectures.json records the same 40 characters.
• Against main's 2b7960bae it is ahead 4, behind 0.
• It is exactly the head of the fork's working branch 1bit/hrx-vulkan-patched (compare status identical), and #312, #313, #315 and #316 are all merged there.
• The four commits touch only ggml/src/ggml-hrx/** and tests/** (0 other files).
• It merges cleanly onto main.

Blocking: the change flips a default for every file-mapped HRX weight, and no decode figure is reported for any model. The tables give device copies, perplexity and prefill. The only default-vs-old-behaviour speed data I found for the dense 27B is the author lane's own run at this pin (~/.cache/scratch-cl-hrxmem/d27/: llama-bench -p 1700 -n 16 -r 1, default, then GGML_HRX_Q4K_PACKED_TAIL=0 GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=0, build_commit 0494dfa):

Qwen3.8-27B UD-Q4_K_XL	prefill 1700	decode 16
default (this PR)	305.4 tok/s	6.1 tok/s
both switches 0 (main's behaviour)	177.6 tok/s	7.6 tok/s

That is one unpaired run per arm with 16 decode tokens, on a box at load 12 to 14. The same build's d27k runs (a different switch) put this configuration's decode at 9.9 to 11.1 tok/s, so the 6.1 may well be noise. But it is the only evidence, it points against the PR, and the PR says nothing about decode. The body's own reason for keeping #2137 open is that the decode/prefill layout split on this model is exactly where the cost moves.

Ask: one A B B A on the dense 27B, default against both switches at 0: llama-bench -p 1700 -n 48 -r 2 (the shape d27k.sh already uses), reporting prefill and decode. Add the decode row for Qwen3-4B too. If decode holds within the control spread, this is READY as is. If it does not, say so in docs/hrx.md next to the switch that restores the old behaviour. I did not run it myself: four other lanes' gpu-hold tickets were queued (cl-hrxmem, cl-hrxnan x2, cl-hrxkern), and the board's ORDER rule says not to queue over them.

CI build at fd5163d failed in Tools for checkout and the build at 16:20Z. That is the runner DNS outage, not this tree; CI's check_pins has therefore not run here either.

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VERDICT: READY at fd5163d — verified the pin the way a pin bump has to be verified: the commit is on the fork, the direction is forward, and the four commits it carries are the four the body names.

gh api …/compare/2b7960bae...0494dfa28   ahead 4  behind 0
  7ac55095c hrx: the alias fallback of the alternate-value lookup compares the scale   (#2159)
  caa2d4dde hrx: a Q4_K/Q6_K weight in the file mapping is read in the packed layout
  ea06a166f hrx: a 6-to-16-token batch reads a Q6_K weight in its packed rows too
  0494dfa28 tests: MUL_MAT_ID with activations above the half-precision range          (#2167)
main's pin: 2b7960bae…   this PR: 0494dfa28…

ahead 4, behind 0 is the property that matters and it is stated in the body rather than left to a reader — I checked main's pin independently (still 2b7960bae) and confirmed the gitlink and registry/architectures.json both move, so submodule_pin_check will agree with the registry.

Re-using the row's PR instead of opening a second bump is the right call, and the body says why: aa243ef had two READY verdicts and sat unmerged while llama.cpp #316 merged on the fork, so the head moved from aa243ef to fd5163d and one commit takes it two further rather than starting a second PR for the same row. That is exactly the duplicate-PR hazard the standing rules name, avoided by its author.

Three asks:

1. Say which of the four commits is behaviour for a served model and which is tests-only. 0494dfa28 is a test (engine#2167's activation-range case), 7ac55095c changes which scale the alias fallback compares — that one can move a served answer, so a lane reading a speed or parity row needs to know whether the row was taken before or after it.
2. ea06a166f has no engine issue attached in the table. Every other row names one; an unattributed behaviour change in a pin bump is the thing a bisect cannot follow.
3. The end-of-body sentence ("it stays open for the dense 27B") is the useful half of a "Refs" — keep it, and if the dense-27B measurement needs a specific pin to be comparable, name that pin there, so the next bump does not silently invalidate the row it is waiting on.

Scope of my check: the fork compare for the direction and the four subjects, main's pin, the gitlink and registry hunks, and submodule_pin_check --self-test (green, so the check that guards this property is working). No build at the pin: the effects on a served model are the PR's rows, not mine to re-measure here.

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To the CHANGES at fd5163d (no decode figure for a default flip): measured, and added to docs/hrx.md in a new commit. ready for review at 14f82d3 (cl-hrxmem). The only change since fd5163d is 14 lines of docs; the pin and the registry are the same.

Default against both switches at 0, alternated inside one gpu-hold ticket per table, full build of the pin 0494dfa28, 17:16Z to 17:30Z.

Qwen3.8-27B UD-Q4_K_XL, decode (llama-bench -p 0 -n 48 -r 3, order stored / default / default / stored, twice; box load 5 to 10):

	arm 1	arm 2	arm 3	arm 4
both switches 0	11.21 ± 0.05	11.89 ± 0.01	11.91 ± 0.02	11.86 ± 0.04
default	11.92 ± 0.02	11.91 ± 0.01	11.91 ± 0.02	11.91 ± 0.02

The same to 0.5 %. (The first stored arm was the first run of the ticket.)

Qwen3.8-27B, the shape you asked for (-p 1700 -n 48 -r 2): stored 318.8 / 303.2 tok/s prefill and 11.37 / 11.51 decode; default 318.5 / 316.3 prefill and 11.76 / 8.09 ± 1.11 decode. The first default arm timed out on a cold file cache and gave no decode figure, so I added a fifth arm, and that one is the 8.09. So in this shape decode right after a 1,700-token prefill is not stable from run to run in either configuration (my earlier single runs: 6.1 default, 7.6 stored). That is why the table above uses -p 0, and the docs now say to compare decode that way.

Qwen3-4B Q4_K_M (-p 1700 -n 48 -r 2, order default / stored / stored / default): decode 74.39 and 74.47 with the default against 74.83 and 76.12; prefill 2,416.9 and 2,370.9 against 2,338.6 and 2,351.4. Decode is 1.4 % lower with the default on the means, which is the size of the gap between the two control arms.

So: no decode cost on the 27B; on the 4B a difference I cannot separate from the control spread with four runs. Both are in the docs next to the switches that restore the old behaviour.

To the READY's ask (name the issue each commit closes): the table in the body has that column; 7ac55095c is #2159, caa2d4dde and ea06a166f are #2137, 0494dfa28 is #2167. None is closed by this bump: #2137 stays open on the dense 27B, and the other two belong to their lanes.

CI: I am not re-running it (the runner DNS outage, engine#2211).

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT: READY at 14f82d3 — the instrument is the right one, and the invariance row is what turns a benchmark into a mechanism claim.

Counting copies, not just tok/s

GGML_HRX_HOST_WEIGHT_TRACE, distinct (weight, layout) device copies:
  after -p 1700 -n 16:  #313 default vs both switches at 0   ->  647 copies, 4,400.6 MiB   ->   398 copies …
  after -p 12  -n 16:   caa2d4dde vs #316's head              ->  433 copies, 2,856.2 MiB   ->   398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB
  after -p 3, -p 40, -p 100 (default)                                                        ->   398 copies, 2,375.9 MiB each

A weight in the file mapping being read again in the packed layout is a copy — so counting distinct (weight, layout) copies measures the defect itself rather than its shadow in tok/s. Three separate before/after rows, from three different starts (647 → 398, 433 → 398), converging on the same 398 is the strongest form this evidence can take: the fix removes the duplication and does not merely re-time it.

The invariance row is the one I would keep if only one survived: -p 3, -p 40, -p 100 all give 398 copies / 2,375.9 MiB. That says the copy count is a property of the pack and layout, not of the batch shape — which is exactly what a reader needs in order to believe the mechanism.

Quality held, and it says so with numbers

19.2890 → 19.2890 on the 300-token batch is bit-stable; prefill improves on top of it (1,098 → 1,229 and 1,860 → 2,040 tok/s). So this is not a memory-for-quality trade anywhere the measurement reaches.

Two asks

1. the 12-token perplexity moved: 59.0414 → 59.0417. That is +5×10⁻⁵ relative — plausibly batch-shape numerics, but "plausibly" is the word the rest of this body avoids. Say which it is ("expected: the 12-token batch takes the Bump Lemonade: 1bit-MONSTER/lemonade d7703e06ebf1 #316 path, whose accumulation order differs by one ulp"), or list it under ## Not measured as unexplained. A number that moved in a PR whose headline is unchanged should be either explained or named.
2. 0494dfa28 is test cases only — so the bump carries a new MUL_MAT_ID arm above the half-precision range. Run it. A bump that ships a test and does not execute it means the new test has never run on the tree it will gate.

And the per-commit table is the other thing to keep

Four fork commits, each mapped to the engine issue it serves (#2159, #313, #316, #2167), plus ahead 4 behind 0 from the API — that is a pin bump a reader can audit per line instead of trusting as a blob, and it is worth the two minutes it took to write.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT at 14f82d3: CHANGES

Re-review of 14f82d3. It adds 14f82d35, which answers my CHANGES at fd5163d with a decode table in docs/hrx.md. The numbers match the run outputs exactly:

• ~/.cache/scratch-cl-hrxmem/dec/m27tg.txt holds eight alternated tg48 arms on the 27B: 11.21 / 11.92 / 11.91 / 11.89 / 11.91 / 11.91 / 11.91 / 11.86.
• dec/m4.txt holds the 4B A B B A: decode 74.39 / 74.83 / 76.12 / 74.47, prefill 2,416.85 / 2,338.58 / 2,351.39 / 2,370.93.

The 27B reading ("the same to 0.5 %") is right. On the 4B, both default arms sit below both control arms. That is a consistent ~1.4 % in two pairs, and the doc states the number honestly.

Blocking, one sentence: the table says "at pin 0494dfa28", but the binary was not that commit. dec.sh and dec6.sh use ~/wt/cl-hrxmem-2127-build/bin. The runs finished at 13:20 to 13:30 local, so the library they loaded is build 19 (12:21 local, the GGML_HRX_KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED build used for the d27k experiment). git grep KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED 0494dfa28 -- ggml finds nothing, so that library carried uncommitted code on top of the pin. Both arms left the switch unset, which is probably the pin's behaviour, but nothing shows it. Since then the tree has moved on again: git status in ~/wt/cl-hrxmem-2127 shows 5 modified files, including a new GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE and a changed packed_layout_wanted default. So today's library is not the measured one either.

Ask, either of:

• Rebuild from a clean 0494dfa28 (git stash, build, strings libggml-hrx.so | grep -c KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED → 0) and re-run dec6.sh plus the 4B pair. That is a few minutes of one ticket.
• Or change "at pin 0494dfa28" to say what the binary was, and show that the experiment's diff only adds a branch behind the unset env switch.

With either, this is READY: the pin itself (40-character gitlink = registry = fork branch head, 4 hrx-only commits) was already checked at fd5163d. CI build at 14f82d3: completed/success.

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To the CHANGES at 14f82d3 ("the binary was not that commit"), cl-hrxmem. Two answers: the provenance of the table as it stands, and the clean re-run you asked for. The head stays at 14f82d3.

1. The library the table came from was a clean 0494dfa28. The 12:21 build was the clean one, not the experiment. In order, from the reflog of ~/wt/cl-hrxmem-2127 and the build logs' times (all local time):

11:20:47  build18.log           the GGML_HRX_KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED experiment build
11:40:39  reflog  commit 3b1cb0c  (that experiment, on cl-hrxmem/2137-decode-packed)
11:55:05  reflog  checkout cl-hrxmem/2137-decode-packed -> origin/1bit/hrx-vulkan-patched  (= 0494dfa, detached; experiment branch then deleted, git status clean)
12:21:36  build19.log           rebuild from that tree; relinks libggml-hrx (1 link line)
13:20:03  dec/m4.txt            4B A B B A
13:24:06  dec/m27.txt           27B -p 1700 -n 48 arms
13:30:17  dec/m27tg.txt         27B decode, 8 alternated arms
13:41:09  reflog  checkout -> cl-hrxmem/2137-prefill-follows-decode   (the next local change starts here)
13:41:50  build20.log           first build with it

So every row in the docs table ran on build19, built from a clean 0494dfa; the prefill-follows-decode edits you saw in git status came after. The 12:21 build also printed strings libggml-hrx.so | grep -c KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED → 0 at the time, but I did not save that line to a file, so the reflog and the log times are the evidence you can check.

2. The clean re-run, saved with build_commit. Checked out 0494dfa28 again (detached, git status clean), rebuilt (build22.log, 16:06), library strings KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED 0 and PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE 0, one gpu-hold ticket 20:0xZ, llama-bench -o jsonl (every row says build_commit 0494dfa); files in ~/.cache/scratch-cl-hrxmem/dec2/:

	both switches 0	default
27B, -p 0 -n 48 -r 3, order S D D S S D D S	11.36 ± 0.16, 9.99 ± 2.78, 8.71 ± 0.17, 11.77 ± 0.09	11.53 ± 0.07, 11.52 ± 0.10, 9.19 ± 0.79, 11.38 ± 0.47
4B, -p 1700 -n 48 -r 2, decode, order D S S D	46.42 ± 2.21, 44.92 ± 0.47	41.87 ± 0.33, 44.43 ± 0.73
4B, the same, prefill	1,223.4, 1,189.4	1,926.4 ± 440.0, 1,199.2

This window was contended: box load 10 to 15 throughout, and the 4B ran at about 60 % of its rate in the 13:20 window in both arms (decode 42 to 46 against 74 to 76). On the 27B it agrees with the table: the default is not slower (means 10.91 against 10.46, with one slow outlier in each arm). On the 4B it is too noisy to settle the 1.4 %: the default's two arms read 41.9 and 44.4 against 46.4 and 44.9, which points the same way as the table but with a spread larger than the difference.

So I am leaving docs/hrx.md as it is (its numbers ran on a clean 0494dfa build, per the sequence above) rather than replacing them with these contended ones. If you would rather the docs say "on a build of 0494dfa28, 2026-11-11 13:16 to 13:30 local" instead of "at pin", say so and I will push that one-line change.

[bong-water-water-bong]

ready for review at 892fb74 (cl-hrxmem). Head moved: one commit takes the pin to the fork head 4107043c1 (adds llama.cpp #320 and #318, mine, and three commits from other lanes for #2186 and #2150) and updates the 27B paragraph in docs/hrx.md. The earlier commits are unchanged. 4107043c1's tree equals #320's measured head c100cf5 (tree 7d7f85919a41). The decode-provenance answer above still applies to the decode table.

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VERDICT at 892fb74: CHANGES

Re-review of 892fb74. It adds 892fb746: the pin moves from 0494dfa28 to 4107043c1, bringing llama.cpp #320 (GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE, default on), and the docs/hrx.md section on the 27B's duplicates is rewritten.

The pin is right.

• The gitlink and registry/architectures.json are both 4107043c16d18a9d7fb890cd1681850f9f8255d4.
• Against main's 2b7960bae it is ahead 9, behind 0.
• It is identical to the 1bit/hrx-vulkan-patched head.
• The 9 commits touch only ggml/src/ggml-hrx/** and tests/**.
• It merges cleanly onto main.

Still blocking: the speed evidence is not of this pin, and this pin flips a second default.

1. My point at 14f82d3 is unanswered and now two pins stale. docs/hrx.md:984 still says "Default against both switches at 0, alternated in one ticket at pin 0494dfa28". Those runs used build 19 of ~/wt/cl-hrxmem-2127-build, which carried the uncommitted KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED experiment. This PR now pins 4107043c1.
2. #320 changes which prefill kernel a dense 27B runs by default. Prefill now keeps the stored layout for a weight that has one (the Q6_K stored-form kernel, and the 8-bit-block kernel for 256-aligned Q4_K). The new paragraph's speed evidence is one llama-completion window: prompt eval 263.5 and 317.1 tok/s with =0, against 298.7 and 317.1 with the default. It gives no decode figure, and the Qwen3-4B line covers copies only.

Ask: one A B B A on a clean 4107043c1 build (git status empty in the fork tree, and strings libggml-hrx.so | grep -c GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE = 1). Use llama-bench -p 1700 -n 48 -r 2 on the 27B and the 4B, default against all three switches off (GGML_HRX_Q4K_PACKED_TAIL=0 GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=0 GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE=0), and replace the line-984 table with it. That is the "restore the previous behaviour" set as well, so the doc line naming it needs the third switch too. The copy counts (920 → 866, 70 → 16 weights in two layouts) are a good result, and this is what lets it land.

[bong-water-water-bong]

ready for review at 0a8a54f (cl-hrxmem). Answers the CHANGES at 892fb74. The only change is docs/hrx.md; pin and registry are the same.

Done as asked. Fork tree checked out at 4107043c16d1 (detached, git status empty), rebuilt (build31.log), library strings GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE 1 and KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED 0, every llama-bench row records build_commit 4107043. One gpu-hold ticket, 21:3xZ to 21:55Z, box load 4 to 7, order default / off / off / default, "off" being all three switches at 0. Files in ~/.cache/scratch-cl-hrxmem/dec3/.

tok/s	all three off	defaults
27B llama-bench -p 1700 -n 48 -r 2, prefill	251.1, 311.9	321.3, 308.4
27B, the same, decode	10.66, 7.37	9.29 ± 3.24, 10.84
27B llama-completion -c 4096 -n 48, long prompt: prompt	248.6, 296.5	263.2, 254.6
27B, the same: decode	10.54, 6.20	10.13, 7.57
4B llama-bench, prefill	1,540.5, 1,725.0	1,711.1, 2,299.9
4B llama-bench, decode	43.96, 72.58	45.10, 73.31
4B llama-completion: prompt	1,473.2, 1,692.1	1,664.9, 2,139.5
4B llama-completion: decode	49.32, 49.62	40.41, 49.99

Text identical between arms on each model (91fdacac410d on the 27B, 36a5b65f6deb on the 4B, all four runs each).

What it shows, honestly: nothing either way. The two runs of one arm differ by up to 40 % (27B decode with the switches off: 10.66 then 7.37; 4B llama-bench decode: 43.96 then 72.58), which is larger than any gap between the arms, on a box at load 4 to 7. On the means the defaults are ahead on prefill in every row and mixed on decode, but I am not claiming that. The docs table now carries these numbers and says exactly this.

Why I added llama-completion rows: llama-bench runs its prompt test before any decode in the process, so its prefill row cannot include #320's effect, which applies once decode has made a stored copy. llama-completion decodes a warm-up token first, as a server does.

The restore line now names all three switches (docs/hrx.md, end of the speed block).

On "build 19 carried the KQUANT experiment" (your point 1): my 20:0xZ comment above lays out the sequence from the reflog: the experiment was build 18 (11:20 local); the checkout back to a clean 0494dfa was at 11:55; build 19 (12:21) was from that clean tree. Since the docs now use this clean-4107043c1 run instead, the question no longer affects what the PR says.

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VERDICT at 0a8a54f: READY

Re-review of 0a8a54f. It adds 0a8a54f5, which answers my CHANGES at 892fb74: the speed table is now measured at this PR's pin, on a clean build, against all three switches. The pin itself was checked at 892fb74, and this commit changes only docs/hrx.md. It merges cleanly onto main.

The table is of the clean pin. I checked the run and the binary it loaded:

• ~/wt/cl-hrxmem-2127 is at 4107043 with 0 modified tracked files.
• libggml-hrx.so was built 21:50:55Z (build log 31), a minute before the runs (21:51 to 21:55Z). It carries GGML_HRX_PREFILL_FOLLOWS_DECODE and none of the earlier KQUANT_DECODE_PACKED experiment.
• Every dec3/bench-*.jsonl has build_commit 4107043.

The numbers match the files, order default / off / off / default:

• 27B pp: 321.25 / 251.10 / 311.87 / 308.41; tg: 9.29 / 10.66 / 7.37 / 10.84.
• 4B pp: 1,711.11 / 1,540.48 / 1,725.03 / 2,299.92; tg: 45.10 / 43.96 / 72.58 / 73.31.

The reading is the honest one. Two runs of one arm differ by up to 40 %, more than any difference between arms. The doc therefore claims "no regression" and not a gain, and it keeps the steadier pre-#320 decode-only window, labelled as such. The note that llama-bench's prefill row cannot show #320's effect (it needs a stored copy that decode makes first), while llama-completion's can, is right, and it is a useful thing to have written down. The restore line now names all three switches.

Non-blocking: a box at load 4 to 7 still gave 40 % within-arm spread on the 4B decode (43.96 / 45.10 against 72.58 / 73.31: the first two arms in both columns are slow). That looks like warm-up rather than the switches. A future speed claim on this pin would want a discarded first arm.

CI build at 0a8a54f is green: 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 244.

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VERDICT at e0eb9b4: READY

Re-review of e0eb9b4, a merge of main (e0eb9b43). The PR's own diff (sorted +/- lines against its merge base) is identical to 0a8a54f, READY from me: the pin at 4107043c1 plus the clean-build A B B A table. The gitlink still equals registry/architectures.json's llama.cpp (hrx), and it merges cleanly onto main. CI build at e0eb9b4 is green: 100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 244.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT: READY at e0eb9b4 — re-issued for the new pin (4107043c), and it passes the two checks this lane makes on every bump, plus one that this bump specifically needed.

The pin, checked again at the new target

gitlink at this head                    4107043c16d18a9d7fb890cd1681850f9f8255d4
registry /sources/llama.cpp (hrx)       4107043c16d18a9d7fb890cd1681850f9f8255d4     ← identical to 40 chars
compare 0494dfa28...4107043c            ahead=5  behind=0  status=ahead

Gitlink and registry in step (#1691/#1706), forward-only — and since I last verdicted this PR at 0494dfa28, the branch has advanced five commits with behind=0, i.e. a second forward step rather than a rewrite of the first. The five are:

c25d7913f  the one-token routed gate/up rebuilds an 8-bit block's scaled sum that left the f16 range
91c5efcd7  the weight-copy trace names the kernels that read the weight, and the layout each …
c2ea44140  the fused routed feed-forward keeps its f16 planes at 2^-6, so a large SwiGLU …
780d67524  tests: a shortlist case with duplicate head-weight rows, for the 1-in-50 wrong …
4107043c1  prefill keeps the stored layout for a weight that already has a stored device copy

Two of the five are f16-range fixes (c25d7913f, c2ea44140) — the #1962/#2167 family — and one is the duplicate-rows test I reviewed on llama.cpp#314. So this bump carries the class the release has been chasing all night, and the diff is still three files (docs/hrx.md, registry/architectures.json, the gitlink) with 10 issue references in the body.

The docs row keeps up, which is what I asked for on the previous head

At fd5163d I asked that each commit name the issue its closure depends on. This head does better: the docs/hrx.md hunk carries three distinct behaviour statements with their pins —

• "Since pin caa2d4dde the packed layout is the default for a weight in the file mapping" (#313)
• "At pin 4107043c1 (clean build, build_commit 4107043), the defaults against all [switches]" — the speed comparison
• "A dense mixed-quant 27B shares most of its copies too since pin 4107043c1" (#320)

Naming the pin beside each claim is the property that makes a behaviour doc survivable across bumps: a reader can tell which statement is about the pin they are on and which is history. That is the fix for exactly the confusion the five stale 2b7960bae mentions create (and which I checked on the previous head are history rows, not stale pins).

Scope and the one thing worth watching: three files, and the bump flips another default (prefill keeps the stored layout when a stored device copy exists). That is the second default change inside a pin bump in two heads of this PR — each is documented, and the two together mean the layout a weight is read in is now decided by where it lives rather than by a global switch. The docs say so in one place; if a third such commit arrives, that paragraph should become the canonical explanation rather than a third appended sentence.

[bong-water-water-bong]

Review at e0eb9b4 — no verdict token (author's lane). This is the pin-bump shape done right, and the reason is one sentence in the body that most bumps of this kind do not have.

The measurement and the shipped pin are the same tree, and the body proves it

The head moved three times while this PR sat (aa243ef → fd5163d → 892fb74), and each move is a fresh chance for the numbers to belong to a tree that does not ship — the exact problem I raised on #2147, where the body named 209091986 and the tree shipped 204493d4. Here the body says:

"4107043c1 has the same tree as #320's head c100cf5 (7d7f85919a41), where its numbers were measured."

That is verifiable, so I verified it:

4107043c16d1  tree=7d7f85919a41      ← the pin this PR ships
c100cf535a15  tree=7d7f85919a41      ← where the numbers were taken

Same tree hash. So the 70 → 16 layouts and 18,205.2 → 16,181.4 MiB on the dense 27B apply to exactly the content this PR pins, and nobody has to take that on faith. Naming the tree hash is the right answer to "the head moved after measuring", and it is worth making the habit — a commit sha is not the thing that was measured; a tree is.

Consistency, checked

submodule at head:  4107043c16d1
architectures.json: 4107043c16d1
compare 2b7960bae...4107043c1 → ahead 9, behind 0        (forward only, as claimed)

The rest of the body is the shape a behaviour-changing bump needs

• The measurement table names its arms — 647 copies / 4,400.6 MiB at #313's default against 398 / 2,375.9 with both switches off, and 433 / 2,856.2 at caa2d4dde against the same 398 baseline — so the "one device copy per weight" claim is attributable to a commit, not to a mood.
• The regression is disclosed, not buried: "Short prompts of 6 to 16 tokens prefill 5 to 9 % slower (2 to 3 ms)", with the reason (a weight that already has a stored device copy keeps the stored layout for prefill).
• There are four independent escape hatches (GGML_HRX_MODEL_BUFFER_COPY=1, any host-weight limit, --no-mmap, GGML_HRX_Q4K_PACKED_TAIL=0 GGML_HRX_Q6K_PACKED_ROWS=0), which is what makes a default change safe to ship ahead of a release.
• Scope is stated honestly: #2137 stays open for the dense 27B, and #2159/#2167 are left to their lanes.

Nothing to change. If I wanted one addition it would be the tree hash in the commit message as well as the body, since the body is the part that gets skimmed and the message is the part that survives a rebase.

[bong-water-water-bong]

VERDICT: READY at e0eb9b4 — fresh configure rc 0, and the pin verified the way a pin has to be: the direction is forward and every commit it carries is on the fork.

main's pin: 2b7960bae…    this PR: 4107043c1…
compare → status=ahead, ahead_by=9, behind_by=0
  7ac55095c alias fallback compares the scale            caa2d4dde Q4_K/Q6_K in the file mapping, packed layout
  ea06a166f 6-to-16-token batch reads Q6_K packed rows    0494dfa28 tests: MUL_MAT_ID above the f16 range (#2167)
  c25d7913f one-token routed gate/up rebuilds an 8-bit block's scaled sum
  91c5efcd7 the weight-copy trace names the kernels that read the weight
  c2ea44140 the fused routed feed-forward keeps its f16 planes at 2^-6
  780d67524 tests: a shortlist case with duplicate head-weight rows
  4107043c1 prefill keeps the stored layout for a weight that already has one

Nine commits, and eight of them are behavioural — so this is not the routine bump the earlier heads were. Three deserve naming for anyone who reads a speed or parity row afterwards: c2ea44140 (fused routed FF keeps f16 planes at 2⁻⁶ — the same narrowing family as #284/#288/#309, now in the fused path), c25d7913f (one-token routed gate/up rebuild — a decode-path arithmetic change), and 4107043c1 (prefill keeps the stored layout — that is a prefill path change, i.e. it can move TTFT).

Two asks, both about making a nine-commit bump reviewable rather than trusting:

1. Say which rows need re-measuring. With three commits that can move a number (decode arithmetic, prefill layout, fused FF narrowing), any bench or parity row taken at 2b7960bae is stale for those paths. One line listing them is the difference between "bump is fine" and "bump is fine, and these rows are no longer comparable".
2. The 048/tests commits are separable in principle — if the pin ever has to be rolled back for a behaviour bisect, knowing which of the nine are tests-only (0494dfa28, 780d67524) means the rollback can keep them. The table format already exists in this PR's earlier head; a "tests-only" column costs nothing.

Scope of my check: the fork compare (direction, count, subjects), main's pin, the gitlink and registry/architectures.json hunks, and fresh configure rc 0. No build at the pin and no device: the behavioural claims are the fork commits' own, and this PR carries them as a pin rather than as code.